Stephen hendry's cue

[trainspotting]

does anyone here knows the exact model of hendry's old cue(the one that got smashed during a plane flight)? and if its still avaliable or anywhere that it could be purchased?
and his new 3/4 maple cue, is it a john parris?

[sunny3909]

i heard stephen hendry's coach talking about the old cue that "that he[stephen hendry] became the world's best player with world's worst cue" it was a normal english cue.His new cue is a custom cue made by master cue thailand.IT'S DETAILS ARE- Full ebony butt,maple shaft,11MM ELKMASTER TIP,AND 16 IN BUTT.

[lbs]

does anyone here knows the exact model of hendry's old cue(the one that got smashed during a plane flight)? and if its still avaliable or anywhere that it could be purchased?
and his new 3/4 maple cue, is it a john parris?
old cue: Powerglide, Rex Williams Connsessiur (spelling!)

[lbs]

i heard stephen hendry's coach talking about the old cue that "that he[stephen hendry] became the world's best player with world's worst cue" it was a normal english cue.His new cue is a custom cue made by master cue thailand.IT'S DETAILS ARE- Full ebony butt,maple shaft,11MM ELKMASTER TIP,AND 16 IN BUTT.
not sure if that is really a mastercue.
too much conspiracy going on!

and if u ask me if its a mastercue... I doubt so....
His cue joint isn't the standard mastercue joint, judging by the number of turns he made.

[cueman]

It is a Parris cue. I thought everyone knew that!
I even remember the interview with Hendry at the time he had it and he said that JP had his old cue measurements but Stephen wanted to try a completely different cue. John made him 3 up and Stephen picked out one and sent the others back.

IMO I still feel he'd be better suited going back to a 1 piece cue, he's never really found any consistancy with this 3/4 jointed cue.

[trainspotting]

is that model still in production ? anyone knows where i can get my hands on 1?
btw hendry did win a couple of tournaments with his new 3/4 cue right?

[lbs]

I doubt its in production.
He won a couple.. I think he won a british open and a Malta cup in 2005.

I wonder when did he changed his cueing action. Did it happen because of the new cue or?

[maximumbreak]

is that model still in production ? anyone knows where i can get my hands on 1?
btw hendry did win a couple of tournaments with his new 3/4 cue right?


Geordie pool have got one called the black widow, which is a replica of the powerglide I believe...their batch is made for 8ball but I expect you could get one made with a snooker spec - they're very cheap but the materials are pretty good. If not, you can always ask a custom cue maker to make one for you.

[Wity]

Apparently this is a faithful copy..
http://www.craftsmancues.com/acatalog/Geordie_pool_cues.html
made for Geordie pool..
http://www.geordiepool.co.uk/snookercues.htm

If you really want one though i'd suggest keeping an eye on ebay for it, Snurta which is geordie pool I believe may have it up for auction from time for time and seeing the Supreme cue (mine)which both ask for over £100 for can be had for £38 on ebay it'd be worth waiting to find for auction.

[belfast141]

The cue is in a glass display case somewere..possibly the crucible..or wembley.. i wud luv 2 own it ..even in 2 pieces. :D :) :o :rolleyes:

[ADR147]

well the one he won everything with was a powerglide connoisseur and for sure it was replaced with a parris maple but yesterday (and i was about 2 feet from the table) he had a maple cue 3/4 split with 4 splices in green veneers then 4 in ebony then another 4 in green veneers and another 4 in ebony finished off with a very highly figured slightly shorter than average face splice in what i would say was birdseye maple. the badge could well have been parris but hard to see under the lights and you don't want to ask him during a match!

[belfast141]

well the one he won everything with was a powerglide connoisseur and for sure it was replaced with a parris maple but yesterday (and i was about 2 feet from the table) he had a maple cue 3/4 split with 4 splices in green veneers then 4 in ebony then another 4 in green veneers and another 4 in ebony finished off with a very highly figured slightly shorter than average face splice in what i would say was birdseye maple. the badge could well have been parris but hard to see under the lights and you don't want to ask him during a match!

" yo Stephen , what kinda cue u using mate" :rolleyes:

[Semih_Sayginer]

The cue is in a glass display case somewere..possibly the crucible..or wembley.. i wud luv 2 own it ..even in 2 pieces. :D :) :o :rolleyes:

....in the club where he plays in scotland.

[ADR147]

no in the horse cross theatre in perth where he was playing ronnie. - he used to play in spencers in sterling but i think it might have closed down now?

[Semih_Sayginer]

it was in spencers the last time i was there.....(though that may have been during a presentation)

its not closed down yet AFAIA

[ADR147]

word was that it was going to but i have not been for about 3 years to be honest!

[Semih_Sayginer]

word was that it was going to but i have not been for about 3 years to be honest!

btw, i was referring to his old broken cue being there......

yeah, word was that, but not heard anything concrete. story has been going for a while and its been on and off several times, but heard its finally a definite

[ADR147]

i know - just thought people might be interested!

yes there is no money in clubs now and that one has been in danger for a long time but where will he play now then i can't see him going to rileys in perth?

[Semih_Sayginer]

i know - just thought people might be interested!

yes there is no money in clubs now and that one has been in danger for a long time but where will he play now then i can't see him going to rileys in perth?

wasnt saying folk wouldnt be interested...just saying that my reply was to do with where his broken cue was, and last i seen it it was in a glass case in Spencers....

and to the where will he play when no spencers is anyones guess. last time i heard him mention it he didnt know

im meant to be going to watch him play later this week, so may find out more then

[ADR147]

nortel in couper angus is the nearest classy table to him or falkirk has a few

[Semih_Sayginer]

well the one he won everything with was a powerglide connoisseur and for sure it was replaced with a parris maple but yesterday (and i was about 2 feet from the table) he had a maple cue 3/4 split with 4 splices in green veneers then 4 in ebony then another 4 in green veneers and another 4 in ebony finished off with a very highly figured slightly shorter than average face splice in what i would say was birdseye maple. the badge could well have been parris but hard to see under the lights and you don't want to ask him during a match!

asked him yesterday.

he recently got a new cue, and its NOT a PARRIS

[Semih_Sayginer]

no in the horse cross theatre in perth where he was playing ronnie. - he used to play in spencers in sterling but i think it might have closed down now?

seems spencers will be open for another year, maybe longer.

his old broken cue isnt on display there any more.

he has an idea of where he will play once......but isnt sure

[missneworleans]

Rememeber Stephen's cue was crashed when he was travelling back from Thailand Open
He had that cue since was 14!

[gingerale]

asked him yesterday.

he recently got a new cue, and its NOT a PARRIS

Any hints on the tip size? ;)

[Semih_Sayginer]

didnt measure it, but looks like 9.5mm

[ADR147]

asked him yesterday.

he recently got a new cue, and its NOT a PARRIS

so who made it then ? - pretty cue!

[Semih_Sayginer]

so who made it then ? - pretty cue!

very pretty cue

quite light

sent you a pm, ADR. :)

[david16]

Maybe invinciblity, romp 17-3, threatening to break the 18-3 record victoiry margin of the 1989 world championship final, make 6 straight centuries, make 553 points without reply, conceded fewest points against somebody else in a match etc was all beyond him regardless what cue he chose.

No matter how hard he'd try it's proved to be an impossible task for him to return to the type of levels he produced constantly between the world Championships of 1993 and the Masters of 1996 (out of the big 3 of the UK, Masdters and World Championship) and 4 calendar years (1993 to 1996) where he missed only 1 final -the 1995 Masters- of the big 3 tournaments during that period, which was an incredible run.

Not sure how important Hendry values breakng Steve Davis's 1989 world championship final victory margin and fewest frames conceded all world championship records. Really impossible I'd have thought to break in the current climate.

[ADR147]

i am not sure that hendry plays any different now from then - its just that now the others are better!

[Semih_Sayginer]

..... but yesterday (and i was about 2 feet from the table) he had a maple cue 3/4 split with 4 splices in green veneers then 4 in ebony then another 4 in green veneers and another 4 in ebony finished off with a very highly figured slightly shorter than average face splice in what i would say was birdseye maple. the badge could well have been parris but hard to see under the lights and you don't want to ask him during a match!

its an Acuerate Cue hes been using for the last couple of weeks.

[ADR147]

yes you are right - i can see the band now i think about it - the glint is why i could not make out the badge!

[Semih_Sayginer]

yes you are right - i can see the band now i think about it - the glint is why i could not make out the badge!

;)

you noticed a lot of detail by looking close.

i couldnt see the badge either, so asked when the opportunity arose.

:)

[ADR147]

it helps i have seen a lot of cues! - ask him if he does not like it to give me a bell i have a few he might!

[trevs1]

its an Acuerate Cue hes been using for the last couple of weeks.


What's the deal with these Acuerate cues then???

Are they made from timber???

Are they made in more or less a traditional way???

[Semih_Sayginer]

What's the deal with these Acuerate cues then???

Are they made from timber???

Are they made in more or less a traditional way???

wouldnt know much about them.....remember looking them up when mentioned on here months ago (use the search on here and theres a few mentions. thing A_G asked in a thread about them).

their "claim" or "selling point" seems to be there good results in "deflection tests", something yourself or ADR will know more about than most.

[cueman]

I wouldn't think that Stephen Hendry has been using a different cue just a few weeks before the World Championships start. I'm not saying that he hasn't tried this supposed acuerate cue out but the suggestion that he has decided to change at this stage of the season is just rediculous. Unless of course something has happened to his regular playing cue.

As for Acuerate, I remember having a pdf file sent to me regarding these cues and the science behind them. It is claimed that they offer less deflection than any other cue and that this leads to more accuracy when playing with side as opposed to regular cues which usually throw the white off centre slightly when applying side spin to the cue ball.
They, as far as I know, are made from regular seasoned ash or maple but I believe its secret lies within the taper and tip size where the cue deflects less than regular cues.

I'll dig it up for anyone that wants a read, I think I've still got it somewhere!

[trevs1]

I wouldn't think that Stephen Hendry has been using a different cue just a few weeks before the World Championships start. I'm not saying that he hasn't tried this supposed acuerate cue out but the suggestion that he has decided to change at this stage of the season is just rediculous. Unless of course something has happened to his regular playing cue.

As for Acuerate, I remember having a pdf file sent to me regarding these cues and the science behind them. It is claimed that they offer less deflection than any other cue and that this leads to more accuracy when playing with side as opposed to regular cues which usually throw the white off centre slightly when applying side spin to the cue ball.
They, as far as I know, are made from regular seasoned ash or maple but I believe its secret lies within the taper and tip size where the cue deflects less than regular cues.

I'll dig it up for anyone that wants a read, I think I've still got it somewhere!


I remember speaking to a certain 'unnamed' player a little while ago, and, during this conversation, these cues were mentioned.

He told me that he'd tried one and found it completely hopeless, stating that his own cue (a regular high quality cue) outperformed it by a country mile.
I do vaguely recall that he said they were basically a fairly standard cue and nothing to shout about, though I can't say I paid too much attention to any details mentioned (if they were).

Any very good experienced cuemaker, with a 'real' knowledge of the game, technical aspects and playing characteristics of different cues, would be able to tell you that a cue of a certain shape, size, taper, overall weight, and, the distribution of that weight, will outperfrom the next cue not falling into these 'certain' specifications.

It's all very well having a cue that will minimise the effects of throw when striking off centre white, but, there's much more to building a cue that will perform well in other areas.

For a start, for virtually all players, they have to have a cue that 'FEELS' comfortable when they are on the table with it. So having to use a cue with a 'CERTAIN PRE-DEFINED' taper, might feel unbearable to them.

There are many variables to take into account in building a cue that will suit a given player, but, will still be able to perform as a total package.

As for these Acuerate cues......well, they appear to be attempting to sell these cues on one 'so called' strength alone.......minimise throw/deflection.

How many players out there would want a cue that doesn't throw at all but is unable to generate any real instant backspin to the cueball (even on a very nice cloth with clean balls and no humidity)?
Likewise, a cue that can't create any powerful topspin drive through the white, or hold the white easily over distance?

Honestly, this is nonsense.

[Erwan_BZH]

My friend Yannick Poulain, the French #1, is using an Acuerate cue and he's very satisfied with. You can tell me he's biased as he's sponsored by Acuerate, fair enough. But he told me that the cue felt very comfortable, and for having seen him play, he can execute every single shot required in snooker with ease with this cue.
(but I'm not saying by any means that Acuerate cues are superior to others! I just say they seem to be as efficient in the deflection area than in the top/backspin, etc.). Then, it's down to each player to choose it or not...

[Wity]

Cueman.. I for one would like to see that pdf file if it has more info on the tests than what they give on their website as the bumph there proves nothing other than of 4 totally different cues they tested their cue gave the least deflection.

[Semih_Sayginer]

I wouldn't think that Stephen Hendry has been using a different cue just a few weeks before the World Championships start. I'm not saying that he hasn't tried this supposed acuerate cue out but the suggestion that he has decided to change at this stage of the season is just rediculous. Unless of course something has happened to his regular playing cue.


he got it 2 weekends ago. the other cue he was using wasnt broke.

[Erwan_BZH]

he got it 2 weekends ago. the other cue he was using wasnt broke.

Semih, do you know if he plans to play with the Accuerate in Sheffield?

[Semih_Sayginer]

Semih, do you know if he plans to play with the Accuerate in Sheffield?

dont know Erwan, but given the following facts:-

he was using it midweek

when asked it it was his new cue, he said yes

when asked when he got it, he replied stating a number of days which when calculated means he got it two weekends ago

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also early report on here by ADR suggests he used it just over a week ago at the Legends Tour.

[trevs1]

Staggering

[david16]

I wouldn't say it's staggering at all. More like the actions of a champion who is looking to try and find a solution to return to being invincible again. All the great champions of their sport do the same type of thing Hendry's been doing.

I'm not really convinced that he's got any more than 1 more world title with a real struggle (and not just in the final) left in him. But he's really got nothing to lose using a different cue during the world championships from 1 that hasn't brought him the spectacular title success he had hoped for, and he can't do any worse using his new cue. Win or lose in the world championships he'll have had a gamble trying to end an 8 year drought since he last won he world championship. And whatever hapens he will be gaining confidence using this new cue in competitive situations in readiness for next season's tournaments even if invincibility mid 90's style is out of the question.

[cueman]

I'm with Trev, its more than staggering, its bloody rediculous. No player, not even O'Sullivan could adapt to a new cue when you have a tournament less than 3 weeks away. The fact that its not just any tournament but the World championships just makes this whole story seem more like an April fools joke beyond the 1st April!

Hendry will be using his 3/4 plain Ebony/Maple Parris cue at the crucible or I'm a martian from outer space!

[JoanneT63]

Stephen was talking to Ronnie at the Legends Tour about his new cue and was using it on the 5th and 6th of April.......

[trevs1]

I would've thought he has just been trying it out, but, for more than a few days? seems a little odd to say the least.

It would be interesting to know what has motivated him to even try another cue.

What did he feel was missing with the other one?

I was told that his Parris cue was a bit dead (non-responsive - not broken).

[Semih_Sayginer]

Stephen was talking to Ronnie at the Legends Tour about his new cue and was using it on the 5th and 6th of April.......

thanks for the post Jo.

both you and ADR have spotted it, and youve heard from Ron that Hendo was speaking about it as his new cue

also, what i posted wasnt a wind up. they were straight from hendos mouth. not 2nd hand info.

he considers it his new cue. its 2 weeks old.

if he changes back then so be it, but right now its what hes using and he intends using.....

[ADR147]

What's the deal with these Acuerate cues then???

Are they made from timber???

Are they made in more or less a traditional way???
ITS A GUY CALLED CHRIS HENRY TREVOR - FROM WHAT I CAN SEE THEY ARE JUST NORMAL CUES ALTHOUGH THEY ARE PLAYING THE SIENCE CARD IN THE ADVERTS.

[ADR147]

I Know He Has Been Practising With It Full Time For About A Month Now So It Would Appear He Will Be Using It In The Worlds

[Semih_Sayginer]

I Know He Has Been Practising With It Full Time For About A Month Now So It Would Appear He Will Be Using It In The Worlds

he said to me when i asked him when he got it that he got it the weekend before last. so hes only had it 2 weeks.

[JoanneT63]

I Know He Has Been Practising With It Full Time For About A Month Now So It Would Appear He Will Be Using It In The Worlds

That is exactly what he told Ronnie......

[Semih_Sayginer]

That is exactly what he told Ronnie......

his exact words when asked on wednesday of this week, were (after a short pause) "ten days ago"

[ADR147]

I Heard The Same.

[ADR147]

his exact words when asked on wednesday of this week, were (after a short pause) "ten days ago"

DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHEN HE GOT IT? - TRUTH IS HE COULD PLAY BETTER THAN ME WITH A BROOM HANDLE!

[Semih_Sayginer]

no it doesnt matter to me the exact day, but ive posted exactly what he told me after i asked him a few days ago. direct question, direct answer, so i thought id post it.

[JoanneT63]

his exact words when asked on wednesday of this week, were (after a short pause) "ten days ago"

Maybe Ron misheard when Stephen told him how long he had had the cue, he maybe said a few days not a few weeks, either way it's defo a new cue.

[Maija]

DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHEN HE GOT IT? - TRUTH IS HE COULD PLAY BETTER THAN ME WITH A BROOM HANDLE!

He's not really up against you at the Crucible, though, is he? ;)

[Wity]

What amazes me is Acerates claim that their cue will produce less deflection than any other. Their website gives the impression they have scietific proof yet they dont show it. The pdf file Cueman has sent me, thanks again :http://www.thesnookerforum.com/images/icons/icon14.gif doesn't help explain either unless theres something in this line from the pdf file:

"...because of the shaft bend and smaller tip"

That's their word exactly, "shaft bend" not taper.

Hendry we all know played with a crap cue for years that most reckoned was as straight as Larry Grayson. Parris probably made him a straight one so perhaps he's at last found a new bent one that suits him.

[Erwan_BZH]

What amazes me is Acerates claim that their cue will produce less deflection than any other. Their website gives the impression they have scietific proof yet they dont show it. The pdf file Cueman has sent me, thanks again :http://www.thesnookerforum.com/images/icons/icon14.gif doesn't help explain either unless theres something in this line from the pdf file:

"...because of the shaft bend and smaller tip"

That's their word exactly, "shaft bend" not taper.

Hendry we all know played with a crap cue for years that most reckoned was as straight as Larry Grayson. Parris probably made him a straight one so perhaps he's at last found a new bent one that suits him.

Well although it seems weird, I think Stephen knows a lot better than us what suits him. And if he has decided to go with another cue a month before the WC, and especially an Acuerate, he must know pretty well what he's doing...Let's wait Sheffield and how he performs with it before judging him.
If he wins it all, he'll be lauded for years to come....

[ADR147]

He's not really up against you at the Crucible, though, is he? ;)

NO NOT THIS YEAR!

PREHAPS HE HAS HAD IT A MONTH OR SO BUT ONLY BEEN PLAYING WITH IT AFTER CHINA? - ITS A LOGICAL ANSWER TO THE QUESTION!

[wagga wagga]

I remember speaking to a certain 'unnamed' player a little while ago, and, during this conversation, these cues were mentioned.

He told me that he'd tried one and found it completely hopeless, stating that his own cue (a regular high quality cue) outperformed it by a country mile.


Honestly, this is nonsense.



It's possible, but very unlikely that a standard cue has outperformed an Acuerate cue.
99% of players I spoke to, that use Acuerate cues have experienced the benefits of these cues, and have seen the very low deflection and high cue ball reaction.

Most cue manufacturers make beautifull high qualitycues, but don't fully understand the behaviour of phenolic balls on slippery cloths.

For the last century, the tables changed, the cloths changed, the lights changed, etc...
The cues however, have never changed...


@ trevs1: 200 years ago, people were burned to death for saying that the world was round...
It's safe to say that the story about a "round world" wasn't nonsense

Keep an open mind...

[ADR147]

It's possible, but very unlikely that a standard cue has outperformed an Acuerate cue.
99% of players I spoke to, that use Acuerate cues have experienced the benefits of these cues, and have seen the very low deflection and high cue ball reaction.

Most cue manufacturers make beautifull high qualitycues, but don't fully understand the behaviour of phenolic balls on slippery cloths.

For the last century, the tables changed, the cloths changed, the lights changed, etc...
The cues however, have never changed...


@ trevs1: 200 years ago, people were burned to death for saying that the world was round...
It's safe to say that the story about a "round world" wasn't nonsense

Keep an open mind...

all i can say is that a number of professional cue retailers call them acuecrap and their trade price is mighty steep for a thai made cue.

the cues have changed and i am sure someone like trevor could tell you exactly how!

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ONE CUE TO BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANOTHER.

and it was a little bit earlier than 200 years ago that people thought the world was flat. gallilao was the late 1500's and actually people were tortured by the church but not burned to death. he died of old age in 1642

[Wity]

Acucrap lol I like it.

Each one comes with a polterguist who when the ball has left contact with the tip jumps out the butt, runs like hell over the table, jumps on the ball and steers it towards the pocket like a circus clown.

I'm not joking either, how else can any tool / cue /club /boot alter the path of a ball once a shot /stroke has been made? bloody impossible.

[Acuerate]

Hi everyone!

Whatever you think about Acuerate cues, whatever you think about the technical system of this cue, ultra low deflection, whatever you believe or not the system, whatever you think its possible or not to do this with this cue, I play with the same one as Stephen and to know him well and to know very very very well the man who plays with him since more than 1 month (he is like my father), I can tell you that the first frame of Stephen with this Acuerate, he made a 133 and the third one was "only"....... a MAX 147!!!!!!
I can tell you that Stephen LOVES this cue and he will normally play with it in Sheffield, but for now its his own decision!
By talking to the man who is with Stephen, no more than this morning, we said, if he can do a max after 3 frames with it in practice, he can do it in a match as well and play with it, so its really Stephen's decision now!
We will see in Sheffield if he does or not! But i repeat his words : I LOVE IT!

His last cue has been cut at the top of the shaft by his last coach, bad thing!!! More deflection and he lost confidence, especially on long shots!
Now he feels much better with this Acuerate so dont blame this cue and this system of cue, it works and Stephen "The Master" Hendry will probably show you that it works very good!!
If he does, you will all want to try a cue like this, the all world will want to try as well!! And you will all say, this cue works so we were wrong!
I remind you the cue : ACUERATE 147 9,25 mm tip in maple wood for STEPHEN HENDRY!!

[Watford]

Well we'll have to see what happens in the Worlds!
Oh and the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round!

[david16]

Acuerate

But is Hendry thrashing everybody with a session to spare to get to the final then demolishing somebody 18-2 or 18-3 in a Crucible final, conceding fewest frames ever all championships really possible in the modern day era even with this cue?

He is still capable of winning it of course, but I can't see him reproducing such spectacular session after session 7-1, 6-0, 6-1, 7-0, 8-0, 8-1 thrashings of the opposition, or 11-2, 14-3 and such like scorelines.

[Acuerate]

Ok now I understand what u mean.

I didnt say that he will beat everybody easily but I said he is feeling confident in his game with his new Acuerate cue!
So, we will see if he can do this kind of scores, maybe yes, maybe not.
Anyway, I really want him to do it and win the World again as he is my very very favorite player.

[trevs1]

Some years ago, I built a cue for a player named Paul Dawkins, a very talented Welsh player some may even remember.

This cue was a standard one piece cue, 57", 9mm and 16.5oz weight.

The first practise session he had with this cue was against a player named Mark Skinner. If I can recall correctly, Paul made a 136, 90, 140 and a 147 in the first five frames.

Now, does this make this cue the best thing since sliced bread????

No it doesn't.

What it means is that a very good player has picked up a very reliable cue, built to the specs he felt comfortable with, and played with it.

The fact that he played so amazing was more due to the fact that he was a great player, and, the fact he was using a very good cue was secondary. Any cue will only make it easier or more difficult to reproduce what a given player is capable of doing. Cues can and do vary yes, but to suggest that one type of cue solves all is nonsense.

Are there Acuerate cues available to a customers specs???

What if a player wanted one with a 10mm ferrule and a taper that measured 13.5mm diameter at 300mm from the ferrule end, is this possible to do in an Acuerate cue???................I'd guess not, as you'd have to have the taper made as they need to be to minimise the throw of the white ball.

A standard cue can be built this way, to minimise the throw, but there are many many variables to be considered also.

We'll see how many people are using them in five years eh???

[Acuerate]

Acuerate cues can be made to a customer specs, yes!
Of course, Stephen will be ok with an other cue but will he be comfortable as he feels now with this one? Maybe yes, maybe not! We will see!
But if you change everything like you said before with the sizes, it will probably change the all system, I dont know exactly.
What I know is that this cue works, its ok for me and for players who use them like Bjorn Haneveer who just won the PIOS 7 with his Acuerate!
It works actually with Stephen and it will work maybe better and better for him, but the future will tell us!
I can remember that John Higgins tried or is trying again today several cues and did he find the good one today? I dont know!
What about an Acuerate? Did he try one? Did he talk to Stephen?
If Stephen is ok with it, maybe he will advise John to try an Acuerate!
Nobody knows!!!
The only thing we know, whatever you think about the system of the cue, is that it works for Stephen! We will see later!

I dont want to say these are the best cues in the world and they can do miracles, I'm just saying that it works and sometimes its incredible how it works!

[ADR147]

it is a piece of wood !!! - i do not understand how somebody can imagine they can be any different!!! you can make any cue to any spec you like to reduce the throw with a stiffer shaft. if the specs are to a customers choice then its no different to any other cue. oh and john higgins is using a kevin muncaster cue.

[Watford]

I've still not heard a good explanation of how this works!

How much does it stop throw; the site blurb says it helps with unintentional side but some of the testimonies make it sound like this cue eliminates throw altogether!

Is this science, witchcraft or bollocks?
These cues aren't cheap either they'd better be well made and stop throw!

[david16]

Hendry as I said is capable of winning the world championship whatever cue he uses. Just that I don't think we'll be seeing the presentation party before 4pm on the bank holiday Monday somehow even if the man himself may seem confident to such the extent he is with the acuerate. 18-2 is just impossible nowadays to achieve in modern day snooker.

But of course he will not say publicly he's going to drop well short of 20 frames all championship and break Davis's 1989 final victory margin record, just that he privately expects to romp the championship this way. But what's new there? Hasn't he always expected to romp it, and expected to break all records in the process.

No matter what cue he uses, the mental aspect, patience, having to vary tactics etc will inevitably come into it at various prolonged stages of the championship when he's not doing all potting and break building. Even if he was to potentially make 15 centuries with it (potentially I say if he were to go all the way) he would still have to win another 56 frames to actually win it, many of them in dogfights.

[cueman]

All I see from Acuerate is a company jumping on the bandwagon like a lot of others down the years and making claims, unproven I might add, that they do something that all other cues can't, in this case make the cueball travel in a dead straight line without deviation even if unintentional side spin is applied. All I can say is, what a load of b******X. Sure certain cues can throw the cueball off slightly compared to others, but as Trevor has already explained, there are many variables and reasons as to why some cues throw more than others.

What Acuerate are claiming is that their cues never throw the white off at all. Now if this were true, don't you think there would be a scientific proof of this, other than just a few diagrams and a couple of testimonials from players, some of which don't actually use them, e.g. Peter Ebdon who was so impressed with it, he still uses his 1 piece machine made Dufferin cue that his parents bought him nearly 20 years ago!

[ADR147]

All I see from Acuerate is a company jumping on the bandwagon like a lot of others down the years and making claims, unproven I might add, that they do something that all other cues can't, in this case make the cueball travel in a dead straight line without deviation even if unintentional side spin is applied. All I can say is, what a load of b******X. Sure certain cues can throw the cueball off slightly compared to others, but as Trevor has already explained, there are many variables and reasons as to why some cues throw more than others.

What Acuerate are claiming is that their cues never throw the white off at all. Now if this were true, don't you think there would be a scientific proof of this, other than just a few diagrams and a couple of testimonials from players, some of which don't actually use them, e.g. Peter Ebdon who was so impressed with it, he still uses his 1 piece machine made Dufferin cue that his parents bought him nearly 20 years ago!

good post.

[trevs1]

All I see from Acuerate is a company jumping on the bandwagon like a lot of others down the years and making claims, unproven I might add, that they do something that all other cues can't, in this case make the cueball travel in a dead straight line without deviation even if unintentional side spin is applied. All I can say is, what a load of b******X. Sure certain cues can throw the cueball off slightly compared to others, but as Trevor has already explained, there are many variables and reasons as to why some cues throw more than others.

What Acuerate are claiming is that their cues never throw the white off at all. Now if this were true, don't you think there would be a scientific proof of this, other than just a few diagrams and a couple of testimonials from players, some of which don't actually use them, e.g. Peter Ebdon who was so impressed with it, he still uses his 1 piece machine made Dufferin cue that his parents bought him nearly 20 years ago!



Naturally, a company producing or marketing a 'NEW' product, has to be able to offer something which sets it apart from the 'pack', otherwise it just becomes another one of the same (more or less).

With these Acuerate cues, they've focused the benefits almost exclusively on the 'fact???' that these cues do not throw the white ball when off centre striking is applied. Well, for me, this is a little hopeful to say the least.

The truth is, many cues play differently as a good number of us will know. Some throw the white a mile when striking off centre, while others throw so little, that you can practically play the potting angle when applying huge amounts of side to the white. So with this in mind, the key is to be able to establish what exactly it is that allows a cue to behave this way.

What Acuerate appear to be claiming, is to be the 'only' people to understand the way to produce a cue like this, when this is just not the case.

I could ask Acuerate to produce a cue for me, to my specs, which I know would definitely throw the white ball....FACT, purely because the specs I'd provided made it that way.

What they will have to do, to produce a cue that doesn't throw, or throws a minimal amount, is to build the cue to how it 'HAS TO BE BUILT' to behave this way, not, the way I'd like it to be. This, is not what an enormous number of players would want to use, as it wouldn't really fit what they like by way of the feel in a cue.

It's more than possible to build cues week in week out that have a minimal throw off effect, time and again, that can be done no problem.

But, my question is this.....

Will this be a cue that will suit any and every player???

Can these cues be built to an individuals own specifications and still behave this way???

The answers to these questions is NO.

The reason for this is purely because not all players like, or, would wish to use a cue of this shape, size, weight, taper etc etc etc.

For them to say the cue never throws the white, or has really minimal deflection is nothing new at all. There are thousands of standard cues that play like this, and that is a total fact. By the same token, there are thousands of cues that throw the white all over the shop, and that is also a fact. As has been stated in the above post, Mr Ebdon still sticks with his own cue, even though he was somewhat amazed by the Acuerate.
Well for me, this is no surprise whatsoever, as the cue Ebdon uses is probably a very reliable solid cue that will 'do what it says on the tin' and obey the command the player using it gives.

It's this ability of any cue, to 'OBEY THE COMMAND' that proves whether it is a reliable, trustworthy cue.......or not.

The thing with Stephen Hendry is, that while he no doubt used the Parris cue for some time, and, was relatively haapy with it. There would 'always' be another cue that felt good to him, he just had to find one, and believe me, there would be many. It's just that the one he happened to try was made by these people, it's no big shock, it could've been anything really.

Does the fact that Hendry seems to like this Acuerate thingy prove that these cues are the answer to everybody's prayers for the 'perfect cue'

No it does'nt.....sorry.

There are many cues, by many different makers, that will perform just as well as this cue, that is a fact. Some will be beautifully built, some won't be.

However, does this mean 'ALL' these makers understand what makes a great cue tick???

No it does'nt........But some of us do.

[david16]

Nobody can question anybody

Hendry's abilty was to hold his cue better and handle extreme pressure better than anybody else more consistently when everything was at stake was what stood him head and shoulders above the rest, not so much how good or bad his cue worked.

If Hendry or anybody else feels the pinch under pressure, there's nothing a aceurate can do to correct any bad cueing, or put an inaccurate attempted pot that would have normally missed back on target.

After all you play the shot and the result is dependent on how good or bad you played the shot whatever the cue that's used.

If Hendry's as good as he was mid 1990's expect spectacular results like of old at the Crucible. If Hendry's not the man he was mid 1990's style, then expect the results will be nowhere near as good as they were way back then but may still be well in contention. I would take the latter as him still him doing exceptionally well and is the more likely scenario really. Whatever the cue.

[ADR147]

Naturally, a company producing or marketing a 'NEW' product, has to be able to offer something which sets it apart from the 'pack', otherwise it just becomes another one of the same (more or less).

With these Acuerate cues, they've focused the benefits almost exclusively on the 'fact???' that these cues do not throw the white ball when off centre striking is applied. Well, for me, this is a little hopeful to say the least.

The truth is, many cues play differently as a good number of us will know. Some throw the white a mile when striking off centre, while others throw so little, that you can practically play the potting angle when applying huge amounts of side to the white. So with this in mind, the key is to be able to establish what exactly it is that allows a cue to behave this way.

What Acuerate appear to be claiming, is to be the 'only' people to understand the way to produce a cue like this, when this is just not the case.

I could ask Acuerate to produce a cue for me, to my specs, which I know would definitely throw the white ball....FACT, purely because the specs I'd provided made it that way.

What they will have to do, to produce a cue that doesn't throw, or throws a minimal amount, is to build the cue to how it 'HAS TO BE BUILT' to behave this way, not, the way I'd like it to be. This, is not what an enormous number of players would want to use, as it wouldn't really fit what they like by way of the feel in a cue.

It's more than possible to build cues week in week out that have a minimal throw off effect, time and again, that can be done no problem.

But, my question is this.....

Will this be a cue that will suit any and every player???

Can these cues be built to an individuals own specifications and still behave this way???

The answers to these questions is NO.

The reason for this is purely because not all players like, or, would wish to use a cue of this shape, size, weight, taper etc etc etc.

For them to say the cue never throws the white, or has really minimal deflection is nothing new at all. There are thousands of standard cues that play like this, and that is a total fact. By the same token, there are thousands of cues that throw the white all over the shop, and that is also a fact. As has been stated in the above post, Mr Ebdon still sticks with his own cue, even though he was somewhat amazed by the Acuerate.
Well for me, this is no surprise whatsoever, as the cue Ebdon uses is probably a very reliable solid cue that will 'do what it says on the tin' and obey the command the player using it gives.

It's this ability of any cue, to 'OBEY THE COMMAND' that proves whether it is a reliable, trustworthy cue.......or not.

The thing with Stephen Hendry is, that while he no doubt used the Parris cue for some time, and, was relatively haapy with it. There would 'always' be another cue that felt good to him, he just had to find one, and believe me, there would be many. It's just that the one he happened to try was made by these people, it's no big shock, it could've been anything really.

Does the fact that Hendry seems to like this Acuerate thingy prove that these cues are the answer to everybody's prayers for the 'perfect cue'

No it does'nt.....sorry.

There are many cues, by many different makers, that will perform just as well as this cue, that is a fact. Some will be beautifully built, some won't be.

However, does this mean 'ALL' these makers understand what makes a great cue tick???

No it does'nt........But some of us do.

I think i am going to stop posting as trevor has a tendancy to say what I think more eloquently than i do!

The only point I would like to make is that who says defection is always a bad thing? my own cue recently when in the hands of a top class player he found had a tendancy to throw the ball everywhere but in my hands its just fine, each to their own it does not make the cue bad just different from his. if you want a cue that does not throw at all buy one in carbon graphite that is stiff as a poker but it will also have no life, no feel and no character and personally i will never go with that!

[Acuerate]

I have to explain something and quote the Acuerate boss explanations which he did on another forum.
He said after several questions he had :

Most shots in snooker have traces of side spin whether with intention or not and the Acuerate cue reduces the amount of cue ball deflection. For example if you strike the cue ball low with say right side spin, the cue ball is deflected to the opposite side of the intended line of aim, so in this instance to the left. Therefore, imagine playing a straight black off it's spot with the intention of screwing back to the cushion with bottom right side spin. The initial aiming of the shot would be adjusted so that the black would be aimed to the left side of the pocket ! do you agree ?

You would aim more to the natural potting point of the black ball as the cue ball will travel straighter towards the black.

If there was no deflection at all, you would PULL the cue ball off line if you cued slightly across the shot, so therefore some degree of deflection is necessary !

This technology REALLY comes into it's own on the slippery match cloths as the cue ball deflects more off the line of aim compared to a worn cloth and this increased deflection is what a player is fighting against, certainly when under pressure as it becomes increasingly difficult to deliver the cue straight during the follow through. When swerving around a ball, you must aim slightly wider of the impeding ball as the Acuerate quickly gets hold of the cue ball and infact swerves the ball even more than a standard cue due to the increased spin and lower initial PUSH OUT effect of the cue ball.

No you just need to aim wider of the impeding ball as the swerve takes effect quicker.

In around the black using slight swerves and using side spin to pull a ball back on line with side spin or turn it over as you mention is very easy.

Stop of the posts!

Now, I know that Stephen with his old cue was putting a lot of side spins unintentionals in the cue ball, and the Acuerate corrected this problem.
That's probably why he loves it! Its easier to correct this problem, especially on match cloths, with this cue than practicing hard to change this bad habit yourself alone!
If you want, I can ask Chris Henry to answer you, or by inviting him here or to quote him after your questions.
But, please, before saying this cue cant do this or this or even its not good or else, TRY IT and you will see by yourself that it works!

[trevs1]

I'm not for one minute saying the cue doesn't work, or, that 'SOME' of the claims made aren't justifiable.

What I 'AM' saying, is that this is possible (and not uncommon) for a 'NON ACUERATE' cue also, so the claim to be something 'UNIQUE' is not a true one. There are many cues that will play exactly as the Acuerate will, it's nothing new at all.

The levels of deflection created varies enormously between one cue and another, as while some will throw the ball in the opposite direction of the applied side, some will almost feel as if they pull the ball into the side which has been applied (without the arcing off to the opposite side first).

I don't want to get into a disagreement over these issues, and, I don't need or require explanation of the effects of side on the white ball, whether in around the high value spots, or, over full table distance......I understand it perfectly well.

I'm also aware of the properties of the Number 10 cloth, and, the effect it has on the behaviour of the cueball.

I don't want to spoil the party for Acuerate if they are jumping for joy over Hendry using one of their cues. Best of luck to them and to Stephen in using it. I wish both, every success.

But if claims are made like this they become open to question and debate, and naturally, not all of the listening public know nothing about the subject, many will know quite a lot.

Anyone that knows me will no doubt back me up when I say, I'll tell it like it is, no frills, no bias (at least I try to be that way).

What I'll speak of is for the information of anyone wishing to read it and not for the benefit of myself. This is a forum, it's where people share thoughts, opinions and views, I wouldn't use it to score points over any competitor, or promote myself in any obvious way.

As I said before, let's see in five years how many are using these cues.

If they are 'THAT' good, I'm sure the word will spread quickly, it always does.

[Acuerate]

I understand what you mean.

Many amateur players already use Acuerate cues but its not known by the PROS yet or not all. Or yes, one pro player Bjorn Haneveer who used it in the Main Tour last year, a 8,75mm tip which is ultra low deflection, much more like the 9,25mm tip.
I think if Stephen use it in Sheffield and have success with it, lot of pro players will be curious to try one! Right or not?
I think Stephen is probably the best advertissement for a product in snooker! No?
Trev, did you already try one Acuerate before?
I think you know very well snooker, I think you also know the "cue ball physics", so please try one and I am sure you will make a very good comment on Acuerate. Good comment or bad on the cue, it will be your own view of it, but sure the comment will be a great one! No?

[Erwan_BZH]

I think everybody who criticizes the Acuerate cues should have tested it before. You can't criticize a book if you haven't read it. You can't criticize a car if you haven't tried it. Etc.
I'm not defending the Acuerates by any means, as I haven't tried such a cue yet (it will probably be done in two weeks). I still remain myself a bit skeptical about the concept but who knows? Maybe Chrs Henry has produced something really good. I don't know.
But I think people can't just make a statement whitout having tried the product...

[ADR147]

I think everybody who criticizes the Acuerate cues should have tested it before. You can't criticize a book if you haven't read it. You can't criticize a car if you haven't tried it. Etc.
I'm not defending the Acuerates by any means, as I haven't tried such a cue yet (it will probably be done in two weeks). I still remain myself a bit skeptical about the concept but who knows? Maybe Chrs Henry has produced something really good. I don't know.
But I think people can't just make a statement whitout having tried the product...

well if they will send me one i will be more than happy to put it in the hands of a dozen well known cue makers and professional players and will be happy to give it an honest review from all of them. i personally have seen one but not played with it and it looked very much like your standard thai cue. build was nothing special to my eyes.

[Q Ball]

Looks like everyone is guessing what cue he has?? he could probably win with something out of a snooker club cue rack..

Q

[ADR147]

read back m8 - i watched him play with it its not a guess

[Q Ball]

read back m8 - i watched him play with it its not a guess

I thought in the early part of the thread a number of cues were mentioned
Q

[ADR147]

we now know its an acuerate 147 in maple

[Q Ball]

we now know its an acuerate 147 in maple

cheerz, am sure me will sleep better tonight...lol
Q

[wagga wagga]

@ cueman

instead of trying to destroy other people's building in order to have the biggest and greatest one, the better way to achieve something is to try and create your own building.

Everybody is screaming for scientific proof.

Well that's the biggest scream of all.


FACT: the acuerate cues work
FACT: with the Acuerate cues, the throw is reduced dramatically
FACT: the Acuerate hardly throws the ball at all.
FACT: the best proof is to try one
FACT: anybody can critisise somebody on an internet forum as it's the easiest thing in the world.
FACT: If it was indeed a load of b******ll***x, then why so much effort to bad mouth the Acuerate cue?? A bad product will always destroy itself.
FACT: if it were to be a bad product or a scam, it would have destroyed itself already.
FACT: the success of the acuerate cue is growing, and more people are starting to discover it.
FACT: I have tried one 5 weeks ago, and I am fully convinced that it works, and that it is a better performing cue then any other.
FACT: I don't need any scientific proof for this. I only need to see it with my own eyes. Scientific proof is for things we don't understand, and things we can't figure out for ourselves.

Is there life on Mars? I don't know, but you can convince me with scientific proof.

Does my cell phone is harmfull for my health? I don't know, so scientific proof could come in handy

Is my fridge in the kitches keeping my food cold? Yes, I can experience this, and even though this is probably porven by scientists, I'm not bothered, cause it works. That's all I need to know.

Is the acuerate different from traditional cues? YES, no scientific proof needed, I can try it

Does the Acuerate throw the cue ball off line? NO, hardly at all.
Does the Acuerate outperforme most other cues? YES, and I can see that from miles away. No scientist needed here.

Conclusion: Don't critisise, but try.
There's nothing magical about it. It's pure and simple physics.


To me, it's the best cue I ever tried, and I'm not the only one with this opinion.
I know lots of players who put aside their fancy expensive cue, and are playing with an Acuerate now, simply because to them it's a better performing cue.

I'm not saying that all the other cues are bad. They aren't.
I just want to say that everything deserves a fair chance.

Don't critisese just because you think you're right, and others are wrong.
Critisise after you have tried. But try first before you critisise, because there's always tomorrow.

“Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgment.”

– Rita Mae Brown, author

[trevs1]

I for one am not saying it won't work.

What I have said, and what I also know to be fact is:...................

This is not the only cue that will play this way.

A standard cue can also be capable of this if you know how to produce it.

IT'S NOTHING UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE........FACT.

[wagga wagga]

@Trevs1

Now that's a sensible reply! Thanks.

What's unique in this world anyway?

And if a any other cue were to be made the same, to have the same result, would it then still be "any other" cue.

It's a thin line..

But good reply, thanks.

As for where they are produced, I don't know, but it doesn't bother me, since they work good, and are decent quality.

My car is a Toyota, which is made in Japan.
I paid a high price but it's good quality, so whatever.
Same for my TV that's made in Korea.
My lovely pair of Adidas shoes are made in Taiwan, and I also paid them good money etc etc...

[Acuerate]

Wagga Wagga,

Thanks a lot for your post, its good to hear an opinion from somebody who tried this cue and your comments are real and really true, thank you.
I dont want to say more, no sorry, I dont NEED to say more than you did.
Or maybe just one thing, which Acuerate did you try? I guess 8,75 mm, right?
Thanks a lot for Acuerate!

[ADR147]

@ cueman

instead of trying to destroy other people's building in order to have the biggest and greatest one, the better way to achieve something is to try and create your own building.

Everybody is screaming for scientific proof.

Well that's the biggest scream of all.


FACT: the acuerate cues work
FACT: with the Acuerate cues, the throw is reduced dramatically
FACT: the Acuerate hardly throws the ball at all.
FACT: the best proof is to try one
FACT: anybody can critisise somebody on an internet forum as it's the easiest thing in the world.
FACT: If it was indeed a load of b******ll***x, then why so much effort to bad mouth the Acuerate cue?? A bad product will always destroy itself.
FACT: if it were to be a bad product or a scam, it would have destroyed itself already.
FACT: the success of the acuerate cue is growing, and more people are starting to discover it.
FACT: I have tried one 5 weeks ago, and I am fully convinced that it works, and that it is a better performing cue then any other.
FACT: I don't need any scientific proof for this. I only need to see it with my own eyes. Scientific proof is for things we don't understand, and things we can't figure out for ourselves.

Is there life on Mars? I don't know, but you can convince me with scientific proof.

Does my cell phone is harmfull for my health? I don't know, so scientific proof could come in handy

Is my fridge in the kitches keeping my food cold? Yes, I can experience this, and even though this is probably porven by scientists, I'm not bothered, cause it works. That's all I need to know.

Is the acuerate different from traditional cues? YES, no scientific proof needed, I can try it

Does the Acuerate throw the cue ball off line? NO, hardly at all.
Does the Acuerate outperforme most other cues? YES, and I can see that from miles away. No scientist needed here.

Conclusion: Don't critisise, but try.
There's nothing magical about it. It's pure and simple physics.


To me, it's the best cue I ever tried, and I'm not the only one with this opinion.
I know lots of players who put aside their fancy expensive cue, and are playing with an Acuerate now, simply because to them it's a better performing cue.

I'm not saying that all the other cues are bad. They aren't.
I just want to say that everything deserves a fair chance.

Don't critisese just because you think you're right, and others are wrong.
Critisise after you have tried. But try first before you critisise, because there's always tomorrow.

“Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgment.”

– Rita Mae Brown, author

this is total drivel and not fact but opinion - fact its a cue!

as i said before i will get one and get back to you with a comprehensive and honest review from a dozen or so people that actually know what they are talking about.

[Acuerate]

Excuse me but you mean that I know nothing about snooker or what???
For your info, I play with an Acuerate and I know it a lot, I play snooker for around 16 years in competition and I played in the Challenge Tour, I also played in exhibitions with Stephen Hendry, Jimmy White, Mark Williams and Steve Davis, so I think I am able to talk about snooker and Acuerate!
Dont know who you are, you seem to know snooker very well too but please dont say that the other people cant talk about snooker and know nothing about it and cues, and dont say that you are the only person able to talk about snooker here!!! Thats not correct!! Sorry!

[Wity]

Difference is Adr147 speaks out of his mouth not his arse.

[Acuerate]

Good post!!!!!!!! Interesting for the debat!!
Tell us what you mean please!!

[Erwan_BZH]

Difference is Adr147 speaks out of his mouth not his arse.

Wow, this is very clever Wity.....very clever. :rolleyes:

I think it's possible to discuss a topic without using that kind of word, isn't it?


@Wagga Wagga :
Very good post, very useful. Nice to see someone who gives an analysis AFTER having tried it.

[cueman]

So who are you then Acuerate? I'm guessing someone who has been sponsored or endorses acuerate cues on their website?

Look, the thing is acuerate are making claims about their cues having some sort of scientific breakthrough in developing a cue which deflects less than any other. They have not shown any proof other than a few testimonials from a few foreign players, mainly french and belgium, possibly who have endorsements with the company and all they have to back up their claims are a few diagrams and a reason as to why the cue ball will deflect with certain cues.
This is not to say that all cues deflect as much as they say but they are making out that if you don't use an acuerate cue that you are always going to need to compensate when playing any shots, particularly over a certain distance and that acuerate cues will always play better than any other.

The thing is they are saying their cues will deflect less than a standard cue, but as anyone who has a knowledge of cues will tell you, there is no such thing as a standard cue. So how can they make claims of something when there is no set standard of cue and how much they deflect. I'm sorry but this is just a load of drivel and I have no need to try one because I have played to a good standard over the years without one and I'm sure the likes of O'Sullivan have done pretty well without one for these past 10 years or more!

[Wity]

Okay heres a challenge for an acuerate cue owner.

Send your cue to these guys http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php and if their independent robot tests prove as Acuerate claim on their website,
This test proved that the Acuerate 10mm cue is the straightest shooting pool cue when intentional and even un-intentional side spin is applied to the cue ball."

I'll give you what you paid for your cue and you can keep it.

if the tests prove Acuerate's claim is untrue then you pay Trevor the equal amount and i'll put the difference if any is needed to buying one of his cues.


Any takers?

[ADR147]

i can do better as i have said send me one and i will personally put it in the hands of some of the worlds top players and cue makers and will report - EXACTLY what they all say.

[wagga wagga]

I actually think that everybody WRITES things here, and nobody speaks at all.:)
So...
Nice shot Wity, I'm sure that you had a serious think for several hours before you wrote that line, as it is literature of a very high standard.... :-)

But you know what the biggest joke is..?

All this critisism and all these discussions are the best possible promotion for Acuerate.

Simply because it makes people curious!

And their will always be closedminded people who will keep screaming that it's all scam. Simply because they can't keep an open mind to innovations.
The world has always been like this, and will probably stay this way.

And what's a standard cue?
Well, I think that's very simple. When Acuerate quotes on it's website that it wants to show the difference between standard cues and low deflection cues, your answer is there. Consider a standard cue to be a deflecting cue.
Made by people who make brilliant cues of a very high quality, but unfortunately that's all there is to it.
These Acuerate cues are a new innovation and that frightens some people, which is understandable.
It's simple, without a low deflection cue, you will always have to compensate when using side spin. This is a certainty as much as you can say that water makes you wet.
And if there was no standard of cues set in the past, well thank God that finally someone has set a new standard. Or we would have stayed in the middle ages.

O'Sullivan ans likes have indeed done pretty well without these cues in the last decades. They have done extremely well, considering their limited choice of good performing materials :) :D

But I'm looing forward to see what the best players are capable of with a new generation of cues that even widens their options, and shot potential.

There will always be sceptic people, but whatever, they are probably the best promotion as they make people curious, and they keep the debat open, which is.... the best thing that can happen to a new product!

And the world is filled with "wanna be's" and "know it all's".

That's one thing that will never change, as it's human nature!

"Everything is always impossible before it works. That’s what entrepreneurs are all about – doing what people have told them is impossible."

– R. Hunt Greene – Venture Capitalist

[ADR147]

Excuse me but you mean that I know nothing about snooker or what???
For your info, I play with an Acuerate and I know it a lot, I play snooker for around 16 years in competition and I played in the Challenge Tour, I also played in exhibitions with Stephen Hendry, Jimmy White, Mark Williams and Steve Davis, so I think I am able to talk about snooker and Acuerate!
Dont know who you are, you seem to know snooker very well too but please dont say that the other people cant talk about snooker and know nothing about it and cues, and dont say that you are the only person able to talk about snooker here!!! Thats not correct!! Sorry!

i am not questioning your knowledge of snooker because its not important, i am however questioning your use of the word fact - most of your 'facts' are in fact opinions!

[wagga wagga]

Funny enough, the cue is already in the hands of the best player ever...

:) :D :cool:

There you go...

[Wity]

Andrew...Dunno as that'd be better really, thing is Acuerate fans would only argue thats personal feelings. Acurates claims are based on robot testing so the only thing that'd shut them up up is to let the robots prove them wrong.

[ADR147]

I actually think that everybody WRITES things here, and nobody speaks at all.:)
So...
Nice shot Wity, I'm sure that you had a serious think for several hours before you wrote that line, as it is literature of a very high standard.... :-)

But you know what the biggest joke is..?

All this critisism and all these discussions are the best possible promotion for Acuerate.

Simply because it makes people curious!

And their will always be closedminded people who will keep screaming that it's all scam. Simply because they can't keep an open mind to innovations.
The world has always been like this, and will probably stay this way.

And what's a standard cue?
Well, I think that's very simple. When Acuerate quotes on it's website that it wants to show the difference between standard cues and low deflection cues, your answer is there. Consider a standard cue to be a deflecting cue.
Made by people who make brilliant cues of a very high quality, but unfortunately that's all there is to it.
These Acuerate cues are a new innovation and that frightens some people, which is understandable.
It's simple, without a low deflection cue, you will always have to compensate when using side spin. This is a certainty as much as you can say that water makes you wet.
And if there was no standard of cues set in the past, well thank God that finally someone has set a new standard. Or we would have stayed in the middle ages.

O'Sullivan ans likes have indeed done pretty well without these cues in the last decades. They have done extremely well, considering their limited choice of good performing materials :) :D

But I'm looing forward to see what the best players are capable of with a new generation of cues that even widens their options, and shot potential.

There will always be sceptic people, but whatever, they are probably the best promotion as they make people curious, and they keep the debat open, which is.... the best thing that can happen to a new product!

And the world is filled with "wanna be's" and "know it all's".

That's one thing that will never change, as it's human nature!

"Everything is always impossible before it works. That’s what entrepreneurs are all about – doing what people have told them is impossible."

– R. Hunt Greene – Venture Capitalist

this is not even a new product i remember being contacted about them some years ago. 'set a new standard' LMAO

[ADR147]

Funny enough, the cue is already in the hands of the best player ever...

:) :D :cool:

There you go...

no - its not in my hands!

[ADR147]

Andrew...Dunno as that'd be better really, thing is Acuerate fans would only argue thats personal feelings. Acurates claims are based on robot testing so the only thing that'd shut them up up is to let the robots prove them wrong.

snooker is a game of touch and robots can't do it - the only test that matters is what players think - well i have offered to find out for you. lets see what happens!

[Wity]

All this critisism and all these discussions are the best possible promotion for Acuerate.

True, till someone takes them to court and sues their ass.

[wagga wagga]

This is becoming hilarious and a great laugh :D :D :D

Even when I would say that the gras in my garden is pink, you would reply: "give me scientific proof"

Or when I would say: the sky is blue!
You guys would reply: No way, it's yellow...

Haha, keep it up guys, and enjoy the weather!


"It is not the brains that matter most, but how you use them, and that which guides them – the character, the heart, the generous qualities, progressive ideas."

– Fyodor Dostoyevsky - Writer

"In a time of drastic change, it is the learners who inherit the future."

– Eric Hoffer, philosopher

[Wity]

Suggestion for the moderators of this forum...

Give these Acuerate fans a couple of days in which to put up or shut up and when they dont (sorry , if ) close the thread. All thats happening now is free advertising for expensive firewood which is exactly what they want.

[wagga wagga]

True, till someone takes them to court and sues their ass.


You can't sue someone's ass, as the only thing you can sue it for is farting :D

And in the country we live in, you still have to commit a crime before you can be sued by anyone.

And producing a snooker cue that doesn't deflect is not a crime :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:)

[cueman]

Forget the scientific proof but at least give us a real demonstration or some real evidence that these cues actually work. Its all well and good having a web site with a few diagrams and testimonials but the proof in the pudding is usually how many people use them.

Answer me this, if Bjorn Haneveer has improved so much with his acuerate cue then someone tell me why he has gone off the main tour since using one?
Why is it that the only people endorsing the cue are Frenchmen and Belgiums, something to do with the fact they have been given these cues by acuerate, who just happen to be based in.... Belgium!

And finally the biggest con of all. Peter Ebdons comments. The only reason he put his name to it was because Chris Henry is his coach and long time friend. No other reason, FACT

[ADR147]

Forget the scientific proof but at least give us a real demonstration or some real evidence that these cues actually work. Its all well and good having a web site with a few diagrams and testimonials but the proof in the pudding is usually how many people use them.

Answer me this, if Bjorn Haneveer has improved so much with his acuerate cue then someone tell me why he has gone off the main tour since using one?
Why is it that the only people endorsing the cue are Frenchmen and Belgiums, something to do with the fact they have been given these cues by acuerate, who just happen to be based in.... Belgium!

And finally the biggest con of all. Peter Ebdons comments. The only reason he put his name to it was because Chris Henry is his coach and long time friend. No other reason, FACT

Well I have just sent this e-mail to their sales department.

My name is Andrew Ramsay I am a cue retailer from Scotland. Could you send me a trade price list please and is it possible to test one of your cues, I will be putting it in the hands of some of the worlds best players for their opinion.

[wagga wagga]

Suggestion for the moderators of this forum...

Give these Acuerate fans a couple of days in which to put up or shut up and when they dont (sorry , if ) close the thread. All thats happening now is free advertising for expensive firewood which is exactly what they want.

Every cue is firewood. since every cue is a piece of wood, therefore every cue is expensive, since it's just another piece from any given tree

“To fly we have to have resistance.”

– Maya Lin, architect

[wagga wagga]

Haneveer has gone off the Tour for reasons no one wants to experience....

[ADR147]

Every cue is firewood. since every cue is a piece of wood, therefore every cue is expensive, since it's just another piece from any given tree

“To fly we have to have resistance.”

– Maya Lin, architect

umm so we knew that his knowledge of the law was poor, and now we can be sure he knows nothing about cues either!

[ADR147]

Haneveer has gone off the Tour for reasons no one wants to experience....

you mean a sudden and unexplainable total lack of ability to play snooker?

[wagga wagga]

you mean a sudden and unexplainable total lack of ability to play snooker?


No, he got a life....

:D :D

[Wity]

Nah, the poor sods hand swelled up so bad after he got a splinter in it from his cue he had to retire.

[ADR147]

No, he got a life....

:D :D

lets hope that never happens to me!

[Erwan_BZH]

Suggestion for the moderators of this forum...

Give these Acuerate fans a couple of days in which to put up or shut up and when they dont (sorry , if ) close the thread. All thats happening now is free advertising for expensive firewood which is exactly what they want.

A suggestion for YOU would be to calm down and stop messing around, insinuating people are liars or whatever...As Wagga said, that's brilliant litterature...lol

If Stephen Hendry HIMSELF, the best player of all times, has decided to go for an Acuerate (and not for a Parris, an Osborne, a Stamford, etc.), and has actually performed efficiently with it so far, I think there is a reason...You're not gonna make a fool out of him with a sh*tty product! Come on guys, a bit of sense!

I'm not saying Acuerate cues are the ultimate weapon for snooker, as I have never used one. But I say "try it!"...

We'll see in Sheffield if he uses it. If he does, and if he wins the tournament, I think many people here would find themselves quite dumb...

So, let's see how he does with it first....

[wagga wagga]

we're well off track now :rolleyes:

Every year, players drop off the tour, and there were are only 6 tournaments in the year he dropped off.
In a system like that, anybody can drop off.
On the other hand, he just won the PIOS 7, and gave some of the "better" players a good whipping.

Take care guys, enjoy the weather

[Erwan_BZH]

we're well off track now :rolleyes:

Every year, players drop off the tour, and there were are only 6 tournaments in the year he dropped off.
In a system like that, anybody can drop off.
On the other hand, he just won the PIOS 7, and gave some of the "better" players a good whipping.

Take care guys, enjoy the weather

Amen Wagga...

[wagga wagga]

Thanks Erwan, it's good to read your posts.

Let's face it folks, you will never convince us, and we will never convince you.

But why should we try.
We all have our own opinion, and we want to stick to it.
Fair enough.

Let's respect eachothers opinion from now on.

This discussion has been quite entertaining

Cheers

[Erwan_BZH]

Thanks Erwan, it's good to read your posts.

Let's face it folks, you will never convince us, and we will never convince you.

But why should we try.
We all have our own opinion, and we want to stick to it.
Fair enough.

Let's respect eachothers opinion from now on.

This discussion has been quite entertaining

Cheers

Anyway, as a common motto says : "Opinions are like A$$holes...erverybody has one, and generally, it stinks!" :D

[wagga wagga]

"Whenever anyone has offended me, I try to raise my soul so high that the offense cannot reach it."

– Rene Descartes, philosopher

[trevs1]

The thing is, Hendry would've been one of the top seeds for the next tournament anyway, so he becomes no more or less a favorite for using another cue.

If he were to win in Sheffield, it's not conclusive to say it's because of the cue he's using, and that alone....is it?

On the other hand, if the world's greatest ever player, is now using the most reliable cue, he 'SHOULD' have some improvement in consistencey in Sheffield should he not?

This remains to be seen doesn't it?

As stated earlier however,

'ACUERATE CUES ARE NOT ANYTHING NEW IN LOW DEFLECTION CUES'

[trevs1]

I would be happy to have ANY professional player compare a cue I'd built with ANY Acuerate cue.

More than happy

[ADR147]

I would be happy to have ANY professional player compare a cue I'd built with ANY Acuerate cue.

More than happy

give me a few days trevor and I will put one in your hands.

[Erwan_BZH]

If he were to win in Sheffield, it's not conclusive to say it's because of the cue he's using, and that alone....is it?

Obviously not, we agree. I just wanna put an emphasis on the fact a neventual victory for Hendry with this cue would be quite en extensive test for the cue. And a proof "it works", as the best player in the world manages to win with it.

[david16]

The thing is not to make too many wild predcitions such as thinking he'll romp the championship doing it 10-1 13-3 13-2 17-3 and 18-2 or drop 13 frames all championship, or romping against an opponent who has scored fewest ever points in a Crucible match, or him making close on 600 points without reply, or him make 27 centuries including a couple of 6 centuries in a row runs with this acuerate cue.

He can win it. Of course. But let's not anticipate him winning it emphatic to such an extent because he's not invincible now and never will be again. Scores such as winning 17-3 or 18-2 and the same player winning the same event 5 or 6 years on the spin as the only man in contention are achievements of the past and belong to the snooker museum. Whatever people think, Hendry was on an incredible run especially the peak he had in the middle of the 1990's it's hard for anybody to replicate him, and not even the great man himself has returned to it and will find it impossible to do so. He's still very much capable of being well in the mix and winning tournaments, but I'm not convinced that the acuerate cue will be the cure to all his problems so it will not return him to having the huge gap he held for so long over the world No.2 and winning virtually everything again like he did at his peak in the middle of the 1990's.

For Hendry to be invincible in his 40's in the modern day game would certainly be the biggest ever bucked trend if he manages to achieve it, as snooker players are at their peak mid to late 20's and perhaps into their early 30's. So a Hendry complete and utter domination the way he had in the 1990's in 2 years time is most unlikely. Really I can't see it at all.

Everybody wrote Steve Davis off coming into his 40's as being finished, yet there are many people still expect Hendry coming into his 40's to do it all in the high octane fashion he once did. Once the old decline kicks in it's too late whatever cue he uses to totally reverse it to his pre-decline vintage where an opponent taking more than a frame in a session off him was considered by many as being a remarkable achievement.

[Acuerate]

umm so we knew that his knowledge of the law was poor, and now we can be sure he knows nothing about cues either!

You talk like Superman!!!! You are the best of the world!!!
I will retain my words to call what you are!!
By knowing Bjorn much more better than everybody I can talk about him but not in a bad way like you do here ADR147, I will say that you dont know him, if you play against him, you will probably never win a frame against him so dont talk about him like this, Mr cue maker!!!!!!!
This guy, my friend, is able to have century back to back, last week he had max back to back! He jumped out from the main tour because he has a life like people with a brain said here, he had a wife for a long time and it finished bad, he started to be lazy in practice, anyway i'm gonna explain all his life here, but please, as you dont respect anything instead your own opinion and your cue job and your 34 yo experience (just to remind you that the boss of Acuerate was playing snooker before you were thought by your parents), you must at least respect people like Bjorn Haneveer or any other people in this world!
So, please, try the cue or even give it to try to the pro players you think you know, and after that you will have a real opinion and not only your own experience or jaleousy of a better product than yours!!
If Mister Stephen "El Maestro" Hendry HIMSELF is not enough for you when he says HIMSELF" I LOVE THIS CUE, so you are an unsatisfied person!!

And if you claim that Bjorn knows nothing about snooker, what can you say about JIMMY WHITE, who was not far from jumping out from the Main Tour????
Jimmy probably knows nothing about snooker or you can repeat your sentence : umm so we knew that his knowledge of the law was poor, and now we can be sure he knows nothing about cues either!!!!!!!

Stop to be closed in opinion, its starting boring a lot!!!!!!!

Dont think Acuerate will send you one of his cue, they dont need to prove anybody, especially you, that the cue works and the science has been proven!! The boss is much more better than you in snooker and his knowledges of snooker are not to be proven too (one world champion Peter Ebdon and he is now working with the best player ever), he is working with a much more better player than you who knows much more snooker than you so he wont let him down to show you one of his cue, you are nobody for him!! NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU!!
If you are so closed in forum, we can talk about you like you do to the other like Bjorn!!!!!! You wont be happy!! For sure!!

I stop, sorry if you dont take it good, sometimes its better to talk than shut up and keep it!
So, dont take it bad, its a forum where everybody talks but some posts are not correct or not OPEN!! Especially from you who seems to be a clever person who knows snooker!!

Last word, JUST TRY IT and you will be able to talk about this cue!!
It doesnt mean you will like it but you will be able to talk about it!!
I 've never tried one of yours, so I can also say that this is not a good cue or more words in a bad way like a ****ty cue or a firewood, but its perhaps a good one!! I and WE dont know!!! Maybe some good pro players play with them and they like your cues, but NOT Stephen Hendry at the moment!!!
Maybe they will try, maybe not!!
Maybe they will like them, maybe not!!
But before having a comment, they will TRY and give their opinion, their own opinion each other!!!!!
I hope you understand, I dont attack you but you need to be more open to talk about other products than yours!
Cheers to understand what I mean and to take it in the right way!!

[ADR147]

when did you get the humour bypass - if you really want to fall out with me thats no problem i really honestly could not care less! oh and by the way. tu pue.

[Wity]

Quote from Aconmate.... "the science has been proven!!"

Will these plonkas ever understand that anyone can claim such and such does whatever but in an advert to say so without proof is illegal?

No one here needs one of their cues to judge their claims, all thats required is for a cue to be independently tested by a robot. Just like they say they already have had one tested already only this time tested independently.

My offer stands so either Put up or shut up!

[wagga wagga]

Yeah right Wity.....
Good to see that there's someone who knows it all...

Goodnight

[wagga wagga]

What a fuzz over a snooker cue...
Dear me, is it really that frightening or frustrating? :-)
I'm in bits...

[Erwan_BZH]

when did you get the humour bypass - if you really want to fall out with me thats no problem i really honestly could not care less! oh and by the way. tu pue.

Man......How old are you??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Supposed to be 34 yo??? After this, I'd say 4...no more!

I'm just stunned by the level of the discussion here...

Oh, btw, if you wanna try to write in French, try to do it without typos next time.

[wagga wagga]

Save your breath Erwan, I think we ended up in a teen chatroom here :-)

[Erwan_BZH]

Save your breath Erwan, I think we ended up in a teen chatroom here :-)

Yeah, you're right...lol ;-)

[Robert602]

I've been away for a bit and just read through this thread.

Inevitably any technology claiming to be a revolution in a well established craft is going to meet skepticism. Put proponents of it in a room with traditional cuemakers and established players and you're going to get some heated discussion and disagreement. That much is healthy and makes for interesting debate, but it's disappointing to see disagreement spilling over into insults from both sides.

Wity and others, until you've spent some hours with an Acuerate yourselves or indeed have seen good science telling you it doesn't work, please try to keep an open mind and don't write the product off completely. I wouldn't close the thread for the reasons you put Wity because in my view Acuerate has a fair right to defend his product against criticisms just as you have a right to make reasonable criticism. He didn't start this discussion and I don't see it as a deliberate advertising vehicle.

Acuerate, I do agree with Wity in the respect that you can't expect people to be convinced by claims of 'scientific proof' if we have no details of the comparision and only a vague description of the method. If the product is all that you say it is then I do think it'd be in the best interests of your business to do a properly documented comparison between the best yourself and an established maker like Trevor can put forward. Perhaps also a test of your cues made to different custom specifications and evidence that they still preserve this 'low throw' characteristic. Personal testimony, even from the likes of Hendry, only goes so far as cue tastes are so subjective (he loved his Powerglide too).

Can I ask then for a clean slate, the personal insults end here. I'll be interested to read whatever's left of this debate but if it's not kept civil I will have to close the thread.

[PaulTheSoave]

I am not that interested in Stephen Hendry's cue, until I just saw there were 139 posts about this issue. I got curious and told myself, have a look. There might be going on something, about this cue. How disappointing!

[Mignon]

Well, I am interested in Stephen Hendry's cue - and just as curious... only to feel just as disappointed as you are...

[wagga wagga]

You are all right.
This has gone way out of hands, and people are often lead by emotions.

Therefore, maybe everyone can start from scratch, and start adding valueable information only.

Cheers

[trevs1]

I've been away for a bit and just read through this thread.

Inevitably any technology claiming to be a revolution in a well established craft is going to meet skepticism. Put proponents of it in a room with traditional cuemakers and established players and you're going to get some heated discussion and disagreement. That much is healthy and makes for interesting debate, but it's disappointing to see disagreement spilling over into insults from both sides.

Wity and others, until you've spent some hours with an Acuerate yourselves or indeed have seen good science telling you it doesn't work, please try to keep an open mind and don't write the product off completely. I wouldn't close the thread for the reasons you put Wity because in my view Acuerate has a fair right to defend his product against criticisms just as you have a right to make reasonable criticism. He didn't start this discussion and I don't see it as a deliberate advertising vehicle.

Acuerate, I do agree with Wity in the respect that you can't expect people to be convinced by claims of 'scientific proof' if we have no details of the comparision and only a vague description of the method. If the product is all that you say it is then I do think it'd be in the best interests of your business to do a properly documented comparison between the best yourself and an established maker like Trevor can put forward. Perhaps also a test of your cues made to different custom specifications and evidence that they still preserve this 'low throw' characteristic. Personal testimony, even from the likes of Hendry, only goes so far as cue tastes are so subjective (he loved his Powerglide too).

Can I ask then for a clean slate, the personal insults end here. I'll be interested to read whatever's left of this debate but if it's not kept civil I will have to close the thread.



Very good points here Robert602, some sense spoken.

No need for negative personal comments, that's pointless.

The problem is, as stated above, is that if something is touted as being somewhat revolutionary and unique, offering unrivalled levels of accuracy or whatever, people are going to want proof. It's this proof that will be difficult for Acuerate to provide in all honesty, as Robert602 rightly says above, cues are so subjective, and not all players will like the same things.

If someone else came along and said: -

'NEW CUE DEVELOPED'

"Ronnie O'Sullivan is using a specially made black coloured cue, which helps in sighting more consistently".

Would everyone believe it just because Ronnie says it works???

Many would, no doubt. But could it be proven?...maybe,...... maybe not.

The thing is with this Acuerate cue is that it has been about for a while hasn't it?......but.....
As yet, no-one who's used one has won ranking events or any other major tournaments have they, and yet, because Mr Hnedry decides to 'try' one, many are bigging them up to be out of this world. The question is then, who is doing this 'bigging up', and, could they have some personal agenda???

Well from what I can see, this appears to be what has inflamed some here, though not me at all I must say.

What I am amazed by is the claim to have a product that does something other cues won't and can't do, when this is just not the case at all.
It's this type of 'slighty' false information that is annoying, as anyone could claim anything to promote their product on the back of a fortunate opportunity like Hendry deciding to use this cue.

I can catagorically guarantee anyone, that these cues 'HAVE TO BE MADE'
to 'CERTAIN TOLERANCES' to be able to behave in the way the 'might'.

Any player that may come along, stating exact dimensions in a detailed way for one of these Acuerate cues to be built, could totally destroy their ability to minimise throw. This is because certain criteria has to be followed to enable any cue to behave in a reliable fashion......FACT.

If this criteria is not followed due to the specification and instruction of a customers requirements, the cue will 'NOT' be as they claim.....FACT.

The ultimate problem is this,

I've attempted to explain the physical properties of cue behaviour to anyone reading this thread, when many just don't have the understanding of these differences in cues. They may be very very competent players, that I won't argue with. However, I've dealt with numerous top amateurs and professional snooker players, some of them world class in every regard, but, even they still don't know 'WHY' a cue does what it does, they just know what works for them and how to use it. So really, the fact that any player uses this or that cue is no proof that it is 'ANY' better than the next.

I won't be posting on this thread any further, as it might make some believe I've got an agenda of some sort. Either to promote myself, or, to discredit Acuerate, when neither of these things would be true. The information I've offered or comment I've put forward has been for the interest of the viewing reader/player, and not, for any other reason.

I think people should make up their own minds on cues, but having said that, I think they should be armed with enough background knowledge to enable them to make some kind of well informed choice.

Thanks..

[Semih_Sayginer]

very good post trevs1

:)

[PaulTheSoave]

Well, I have dug into this cue archive and it seems as if some posters think its like formula 1. If you get the best car, you are number one! On pro level its all about between the ears. I dont think Hendry will get very far. He seemed out of sorts the last few months whatever cue he got! and he is one of my favourites.

[ADR147]

Man......How old are you??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Supposed to be 34 yo??? After this, I'd say 4...no more!

I'm just stunned by the level of the discussion here...

Oh, btw, if you wanna try to write in French, try to do it without typos next time.

yes the post has gone downhill abit eh! - i don't think i am the one to blame for that though! - my wife is french so speaking it is ok, however writing it is not my area! actually my 4 year old is a big fan of saying tu pue so you might be right in where that came from! - i have arranged to buy one of these cues and will give it an honest test and send it to trevor who i know will do the same.

[Wity]

Blame me if you want folks it's no skin off my nose. I'll make no opology for anything i've wrote though as I'll always call an spade a spade and till the Acuerate company prove their claim I and anyone who has the slightest bit of common sense who reads it will take it for what it is, 100% bull****.

[ADR147]

Blame me if you want folks it's no skin off my nose. I'll make no opology for anything i've wrote though as I'll always call an spade a spade and till the Acuerate company prove their claim I and anyone who has the slightest bit of common sense who reads it will take it for what it is, 100% bull****.

yes but don't you want to keep the thread open until we have all tested the cue out?

[Wity]

We are looking at it from two different viewpoints though Andrew. You want to get an overall opinion from players and makers alike, a honest review, fair enough. I'm looking at their claim that their cues produce no throw and are better in that respect than any other.

Wether the cue is a painted bit of ramin with no balance and considered to be crap or a fair cue or a brilliant one I dont care nor would Acuerate. They'd still market it as the cue that produces no throw and people would buy it for that alone. It's those suckers who I feel sorry for and would like to see Acurate either prove it or at least drop their claim from their adverts.

What it really needs is for a cuemaker to write to them saying if they do not prove their claim then the cuemaker will sue for xxx loss of sales. Its unfair / illegal trading plain and simple, the only questionable matter is the amount of the damages the judge would award.

edit...

"It's those suckers who I feel sorry for.." Yep that includes those herin i've called idiots too.

[wagga wagga]

Hi Trevs,

I have just made some remarks in a different colour.
Coming from my experience.
Hope you don't mind.


What I am amazed by is the claim to have a product that does something other cues won't and can't do, when this is just not the case at all.
=>The performance of the Acuerate cues is quite remarkable. However, they don't say that their cue is the only cue that does what they say. But the whole reason why the Acuerate performs this way is patented. There might be other ways to reach this result, but I have experienced that this one really works, honestly. It is doing something different than any other cue I've tried. And I'm totally honest here
It's this type of 'slighty' false information that is annoying, as anyone could claim anything to promote their product on the back of a fortunate opportunity like Hendry deciding to use this cue.If a player like Hendry uses a certain brand, then this is no doubt a big advantage. But, the Acuerate cues have been around for a couple of years now, and i have heard very positive coments from lots of players why use them. But Acuerate has made their claims and launched their products long before Hendry decided to use one too.

I can catagorically guarantee anyone, that these cues 'HAVE TO BE MADE'
to 'CERTAIN TOLERANCES' to be able to behave in the way the 'might'.
I agree with you. But that's exactly what Acuerate is all about. Their cues are obviously made within certain tolerances but that's probably why they work. There's nothing wrong with that. A diesel engine will consume less, because it's designed to run on diesel in stead of petrol, etc... I don't see anything wrong with that

Any player that may come along, stating exact dimensions in a detailed way for one of these Acuerate cues to be built, could totally destroy their ability to minimise throw. This is because certain criteria has to be followed to enable any cue to behave in a reliable fashion......FACT.
That's not entirely true. You can choose length, tip size. Even though they offer 2 standard tip sizes, you can still order different tip sizes and they also have a dramatically reduced throw. So they have got a concept their which allows a wide spread variaty of specifications. Obviously, when you produce a 25 oz cue with a 13mm tip, we all know this will throw the cue ball onto the table next to you :)

If this criteria is not followed due to the specification and instruction of a customers requirements, the cue will 'NOT' be as they claim.....FACT.

as said in the previous reply, this is not entirely true, as there are some different possibilities. Obviously, there are limits to this, but any player that can't live or cope with this, shouldn't buy one. You know that if you order a low deflection cue, that you are buying a certain spec cue.

I've attempted to explain the physical properties of cue behaviour to anyone reading this thread, when many just don't have the understanding of these differences in cues. They may be very very competent players, that I won't argue with. However, I've dealt with numerous top amateurs and professional snooker players, some of them world class in every regard, but, even they still don't know 'WHY' a cue does what it does, they just know what works for them and how to use it. So really, the fact that any player uses this or that cue is no proof that it is 'ANY' better than the next.
A cue ball will react different on different cloths in different circumstances. But a cue ball will also react differently when struck above or below centre. There's a massive difference in CB throw. The CB throws twice as much when struck below centre. That's one of the laws of physics. You're absolutaly right when you say that most players, even the top pro's have no idea what or why their cue is doing certain things. But maybe that's exactly why this Acuerate concept is often misunderstood. Because people relate it to something magical, simply because they don't fully understand what's going on with their cue or cue ball. It's indeed no proof when certain players use certain cues, that these cues are better then the rest. It just means that they are also good cues. But a cue is indeed a personal choice

I won't be posting on this thread any further, as it might make some believe I've got an agenda of some sort. Either to promote myself, or, to discredit Acuerate, when neither of these things would be true. The information I've offered or comment I've put forward has been for the interest of the viewing reader/player, and not, for any other reason.

I think people should make up their own minds on cues, but having said that, I think they should be armed with enough background knowledge to enable them to make some kind of well informed choice.

You shouldn't stop posting mate, as this is finally becoming a sensible discussion. And people need to be educated, that's for sure. people should indeed make up their own minds on cues. but we should exchange experiences here.

And Wity: I think that we all respect everyone's opinion. But please keep it civilised and polite.
Because a public forum is not a place to be rude to anyone.

What was winding me up initially is that you were slaughtering them with claiming that they give false information, tell lies,etc... Because they don't, honestly, I have really tried this cue, and it does what they say it does.
And it's not illegal/unfair trading to have a product which is different than an other product. That's what economy is all about. And everybody tries to be unique. If anyone would try to sue them, then they would only end up with a judge on a snooker table, trying a shot (probably ripping the cloth) and seeing what I saw. That the cue does exactly what they say it does.
There's nothing wrong with that.

But please, keep this a civilised discussion. There's no need to keep calling bad names to anyone. That's pointless.
Keep an open mind, as there's a lot out there yet to be discovered.

To everybody, let's keep this a polite and open discussion. That's the only way we can learn from eachother, and the only way we can ventilate our ideas.
And that's what a forum is all about, innit?

:cool:

[Acuerate]

Wagga, well posted!!! You talk like a book!

ADR147, which Acuerate 147 size of tip did you order? 8,75 or 9,25??

[Watford]

Bloody Hell I've not been on for a couple of days and this thing just keeps running!
Out of interest where are you from Acuerate you don't sound (read) like your from the UK!

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the “Gravity Cue” here!
http://www.gravitycue.com

I might try to invent a cue!;)

[ADR147]

Bloody Hell I've not been on for a couple of days and this thing just keeps running!
Out of interest where are you from Acuerate you don't sound (read) like your from the UK!

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the “Gravity Cue” here!
http://www.gravitycue.com

I might try to invent a cue!;)

its just starting in a different thread!

[Nott]

Why would Gravitycue be mentioned here? It has nothing to do with this topic.

As I see it Acuerate cues concept is about the same as Predators for pool. To have a few inches 4-7" from the tip of the shaft flex alot while the rest of the shaft is much much stiffer. That way the tip will flex alot of the cueball without haveing a "whippy" cue resulting in a lowdeflection cue with good power and feel. (geez..now I sounded like a commercial :-D )

Do you need it to play well. NO. Does what they say work. YES.

I don't see no problem with Acurates claim (beleiving they work somewhere along the lines of a Predator) Predator also generated lots of Love/Hate when they arrived in the poolmarket. Blitzing the market with hype. But look at them now. Lots of professional poolplayers and amateurs uses them (I don't know how many are endorsed though) and they are surely one of the most succesful cuemanufactorers in the world.

[Watford]

Well the gravity cue is another gimmick cue isn't it; so therefore related in the context of the discussion rather than the title of the thread!
Muppet!

Why are you talking about pool cues on a snooker forum in a thread to do with Stephen Hendry's new cue? This is sarcasm by the way you don't need to defend what you posted!:rolleyes:

[Nott]

Point taken, My Gravity comment was uncalled for. I could edit it out now but that would make your answer seem silly :p

regards Kermit

[Watford]

No problem mate!
Sorry if I was a bit techy!

[PaulTheSoave]

I noticed we are talking business now and I'd like to join. Has it ever been tried to use other material than wood, for instance, aluminium or graphite. Note! Golfclubs were made from wood as well initially. Anyone knows? I am surprised this has not been tried yet!

[hegeland]

I noticed we are talking business now and I'd like to join. Has it ever been tried to use other material than wood, for instance, aluminium or graphite. Note! Golfclubs were made from wood as well initially. Anyone knows? I am surprised this has not been tried yet!It has. My pool break cue is a Cuetec "plastic " one. Very robust but not much "feel" in it - too stiff IMO.

Edit: This is the first time I read this thread so I may be talking about something else than the rest of you. :o

[ADR147]

I noticed we are talking business now and I'd like to join. Has it ever been tried to use other material than wood, for instance, aluminium or graphite. Note! Golfclubs were made from wood as well initially. Anyone knows? I am surprised this has not been tried yet!

it has been tried many times but all non wooden cues so far have had a lack of feel and life to them that most players feel is vital for them. i have even seen a cue made of glass but the same problem exists.

[PaulTheSoave]

Thank you, Sir! My knowledge of snooker cues is limited. I was not aware it had been tried.

[ADR147]

graphite is very common and your logic is good in theory they should be perfectly stiff and work well but in reality they don't!

[Wity]

I borowed a graphite cue about 7 years ago and played pool with it for a couple of weeks befoe giving it back to it's owner. As he said when he lent it me it's as stiff as hell but barring power shots it tells you nothing. At the time I had no idea what he meant I just concluded for myself it was not for me as I simply felt more comfy with an ash cue.
I had a couple of games of pool with another today and understand now what was meant back then. I got no feedback from it, the recoil, the vibration the feel, whatever you call it was the same time after time regardless of the stroke.

Spose if you cut off a quarter of the carbon from the tip ,exposing the maple core shaft and reshaped it's taper to be slim thus giving it more flex you'd have a Aconmate beater maybe even one that'd give Preadtor's shafts a run for their money in the low throw stakes.

[slayericed]

age old modernist v traditionalist discussion ;)

Just for the sake of my enlightenment can i ask what modern day technologies do reputable cue makers employ. Do they like e.g. use CAS, study the materials from an engineering perspective, cue physics etc.

Thanks

[Watford]

Sorry I'm interested in the last post but I've just had a thought!
John Parris!
People seem to be not using so much any more. Hendry had a Parris now replaced with this new one, Higgins a Parris but now a Northwest cue, Maguire I think has one of Trevors now, Ding got a Stamford!
What going on?

[SomeCueist]

Apologies if this is in another thread, but looking on the BBC live coverage it seems Hendry is using his new cue in his match this afternoon. They did a close-up of Hendry's cue and commented on the green stripe.

John Virgo says he's only had it a few weeks and that got it "because he feels it doesn't throw so much when he plays with side".

[Erwan_BZH]

Apologies if this is in another thread, but looking on the BBC live coverage it seems Hendry is using his new cue in his match this afternoon. They did a close-up of Hendry's cue and commented on the green stripe.

John Virgo says he's only had it a few weeks and that got it "because he feels it doesn't throw so much when he plays with side".

Yes, he's been playing with his new cue, an Acuerate 147. It's gonna be interesting to see how he feels and how he performs with it.

[cueman]

Yeah, and so far he looks worse with this cue than he did with his last. In fact it seems that he is struggling more when playing with side despite the fact this cue is supposedly better for playing shots. :rolleyes:

All I can say is, anyone thinking of an Acuerate based on this performance will definitely be put off now ;)

[Acuerate]

Yeah, and so far he looks worse with this cue than he did with his last. In fact it seems that he is struggling more when playing with side despite the fact this cue is supposedly better for playing shots. :rolleyes:

All I can say is, anyone thinking of an Acuerate based on this performance will definitely be put off now ;)

I will be very happy to struggle and make 133 in the first frame and 147 in the third with a new cue!!!!!!!!

[Watford]

I'm sorry Acuerate your talking rubbish again.
Trev already answered this point you've raised!
I just popped home from work and had a look at the Hendry match!
(Apparently Smuph saw it first but he's behind us!)
Well I tell you what cueman is right he looks to be struggling playing side, struggling generally!

[cueman]

I will be very happy to struggle and make 133 in the first frame and 147 in the third with a new cue!!!!!!!!


You are such an idiot, any of these professionals can knock in centuries in practice but that doesn't mean to say that the cue is perfect for them.
I hit a 114 with a new cue in the 3rd frame I ever played with it but after a few days I realised it wasn't right for me.

Cue ball control in and around the black area as most players know is just about touch and control. However for all round shots, long potting, safety etc, that is when you get found out with a new cue. As Stephen is finding out this afternoon!

[wagga wagga]

it's prety normal to be struggling since he only has it since 3 weeks, isn't it.

Anyway, it couldn't got any worse than it was with his old cue, cause he has done nothing since he had his old cue snapped.

And, these cloths are faster and more slippery than the practise tables.
So he will have to get used to that. But I'm sure that a player of his standard will adapt.

Please don't take the first opportunity to slaughter everything.

Obviously, this cue performs differently than his old. He will adapt and be ok

[Wity]

Slayericed... The company who have thrown more technology at cuebuiding than any other is Predator cues with their low throw shafts. Combining lamination to make the shaft stiffer, thinner tapers a hollow section near the tip and some sort of special ferrel. Still they produce throw though.
Aconmate's reduce it merely by the shaft taper. Common sense tells me that alone aint gonna make it virtually nil as they claim.
see: http://www.predatorcues.com/
and: http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php

Watford ... re Parris You know the answer surely mate, Mastercue's quality went downhill through mass production and Parris has been sitting pretty charging way over the odds for whatever he produces so why bother putting that extra into a cue when he can sell it no problem. Complacency set in surely.

Aconmate... Long live the memory of Hendry's first simple long red in this years championship.
What happened.. he missed it completely. ROFLMAO

edit... didn't see wagga wagga got his 2 cents in as well. Still not gonna put your money where your mouth is? or do I have to offer you odds?

[wagga wagga]

and dear cueman.
Please stay polite and civilised.
It's not nice to call anybody an idiot on a public forum. That isn't a sign of high intelligence !

[wagga wagga]

whatever guys, you will always find something negative. Even if he wins, you would still have negative comments. Even should he win the world championship, even that wouldn't be good enough for you guys.
And that is so pathetic...

Goodnight guys, sort it out here.
There are many other forums with people who keep an open mind to things...

[slayericed]

Slayericed... The company who have thrown more technology at cuebuiding than any other is Predator cues with their low throw shafts. Combining lamination to make the shaft stiffer, thinner tapers a hollow section near the tip and some sort of special ferrel. Still they produce throw though.
Aconmate's reduce it merely by the shaft taper. Common sense tells me that alone aint gonna make it virtually nil as they claim.
see: http://www.predatorcues.com/
and: http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php


I see. It seems that cue making is more of an art than science. I would have imagined that cue makers would be using computer technology, science of materials and physics in their cue design process, but doesnt seem so ;)

[Qubit]

Doesnt look to be doing too well with it so far.

[slayericed]

whatever guys, you will always find something negative. Even if he wins, you would still have negative comments. Even should he win the world championship, even that wouldn't be good enough for you guys.
And that is so pathetic...

Goodnight guys, sort it out here.
There are many other forums with people who keep an open mind to things...

man, in all honesty, you cannot definitively prove whether a cue is good or bad by this logic!

[Wity]

I see. It seems that cue making is more of an art than science.

I wouldn't say that exactly. American pool cue are far more Arty, English more traditional and science does have a place but in cuebuilding i think most would say its experience and the undefinable feel that makes a good cue.

[slayericed]

I wouldn't say that exactly. American pool cue are far more Arty, English more traditional and science does have a place but in cuebuilding i think most would say its experience and the undefinable feel that makes a good cue.

by art i did not mean visual artistry, but rather what you said later on in your sentence. a typical cue maker makes a cue by experience and feel not by a scientific process. We meant the same :)

[Watford]

Wagga
I think a number of us a sceptical but I can by no means say that the claims of this cue are right or wrong without trying it!
The thing is the member Acuerate is pushing an agenda here and all he can say when Hendry is playing badly with the cue is that he got 133 with it the first time he picked it up. I just feel more and more like this is rubbish from his posts.
If Hendry had walked out and knocked in all 147s I for one would have taken more notice.
I agree that Hendry having a bad day doesn't mean the cue is crap and that it will take some time to adjust to a new bat but....... remember Acuerate telling us that it was a magic wand that made Hendry hit 133 and 147 the first time he used it.
If you've got one and like it good luck to mate!
I'm keen to see what ADR147 thinks when he's tried it too!

[lbs]

no tv coverage here and I haven't get a good look at his new cue.
Just wondering if he put on a mushroom tip still, like he always do in the past.

[Acuerate]

I'm sorry Acuerate your talking rubbish again.
Trev already answered this point you've raised!
I just popped home from work and had a look at the Hendry match!
(Apparently Smuph saw it first but he's behind us!)
Well I tell you what cueman is right he looks to be struggling playing side, struggling generally!

Watford,

Of course I understand what cueman said.
He was struggling during the match but not everytime!
I know that practice and match conditions are different.
You can fly in practice and play crap in the match just after your flying practice session! I understand this, dont worry, i'm not an IDIOT (thank you).
I was just talking about the breaks Stephen did when he got the cues and i'm sure he did more than those 2 breaks in the days after!
Yesterday, when he was on the yellow, he played a right side spin to stay on the green and John Virgo talked about his new cue with the words of Stephen that this cue doesnt throw ball when playing with side spin.
This shot was nice!!
But, not because you think he is struggling with this cue, he lost the frame because of a stupid safety shot on the green WITHOUT SIDE SPIN!!!
Yesterday, the problem was not the cue but Stephen Hendry himself!!!!!!!
Dont worry for me, I know this game, you dont have to explain me during several hours what happens and call me an idiot!
What Stephen did yesterday is not about the cue at all, he could have played the same way with another cue, even the old one!! Right or not??
He came back 4/5 after 5/1 down, right???

What happened??? He took his old cue in the backstage or what???
Not at all, so, ok its an Acuerate, but first its a piece of wood and it is not working alone, you need to hold it, move it, and play with it!!!

What about Ding? His Stamford is not good or he forgot his brain in the backstage before going to the match against Ronnie??
What about Jimmy White? His cue is not working good anymore or he is not practice enough to keep the level he had?

I hope you see what I mean!! But dont call me an idiot or rubbish poster!

If we cant discuss without receiving those kind of words, its not necessary to talk in here! Everybody can say what he wants but be respected as well!
RIGHT OR NOT???

Sorry for my english, i try to do my best to talk with english people as they are the best to talk about snooker so please respect me as well as a lot or lets say all the UK, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, pros and amateurs, respect me for theman I am, like i do for them!! Thank you!!!

[Acuerate]

Wagga
I think a number of us a sceptical but I can by no means say that the claims of this cue are right or wrong without trying it!
The thing is the member Acuerate is pushing an agenda here and all he can say when Hendry is playing badly with the cue is that he got 133 with it the first time he picked it up. I just feel more and more like this is rubbish from his posts.
If Hendry had walked out and knocked in all 147s I for one would have taken more notice.
I agree that Hendry having a bad day doesn't mean the cue is crap and that it will take some time to adjust to a new bat but....... remember Acuerate telling us that it was a magic wand that made Hendry hit 133 and 147 the first time he used it.
If you've got one and like it good luck to mate!
I'm keen to see what ADR147 thinks when he's tried it too!

Watford,

You will read that i cant only say Hendry had 133 and 147 when he is playing badly!
I know that its only two breaks and not enough to win a match, especially in best of 19 frames like now against Dave (Know him since a long time when playing with my friend Ricky Walden) who is not the last (dont give him the table or you wont play anymore).
I was just talking about the word "struggling", like in the sentence, it seemed to say "everytime he plays with it, he is struggling"!!!
No, during the match yesterday, he was simply BAD!!!!!!!
Im his biggest fan, we played together, had meals drinks together, have the same coach, know not bad each other but yesterday he played BAD in the first 6 frames, or even the 9 frames!! I can say it!!!

If you dont understand what I mean, who is the idiot? Just kidding, dont take it bad!! Thanks!

Lets talk normally, friendly, in peace about the game we all love!!! Thanks!!

[ADR147]

this is a quote from an e-mail i got today that made me laugh.

"From what I saw of it yesterday they have a tendency to start matches
poorly and force the user into a rearguard action which requires digging
into years of experience to keep the match score respectable!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Erwan_BZH]

Stephen Hendry quotes:

The cue is something newer to what my original cue was in terms of what it does playing shots. I thought I’d give it a try, I couldn’t play any worse. I tried three or four and I found this one and it’s fantastic. In practise, the second frame I used it I had a 147, in the next a 133 so that was it for me; sold.

Chris Henry whose company are involved in making Acuerate cues came over and just had a discussion with me about the reactions of the cue I was using, the cue I used to use so it made sense. I was playing so well with it, everyone says you can’t use a new cue three weeks before the Worlds I thought why not.

http://www.worldsnooker.com/news_latest-18642

[Wity]

Im his biggest fan, we played together, had meals drinks together..


If your so chummy with the guy why not point him towards a poven low throw cue make if thats what he wants. I'm sure with his money Predator would make one for him.

[ADR147]

i am sure mike wooldridge would give him the best cue he has ever seen just for the advert!

[RaNeN]

I do not know if this has been posted earlier or not.
Stephen Hendry plays with a

ACUERATE 147 CUE,

147 MAPLE cue
58 inch
9mm tip size.

I get an e mail from Acuerate cue's whenever a player playing with their cue wins a round or makes a 147.

[ADR147]

I do not know if this has been posted earlier or not.
Stephen Hendry plays with a

ACUERATE 147 CUE,

147 MAPLE cue
58 inch
9mm tip size.

I get an e mail from Acuerate cue's whenever a player playing with their cue wins a round or makes a 147.

I suspect we will be seeing this advert in the courier (our local paper) on saturday

FOR SALE: ACUERATE 147 CUE in maple 58 inch 9mm tip size. £25ono call Stephen on 01764******

[PaulTheSoave]

probably at Stephens' local oxfam shop! ;)

[ADR147]

He is a scot it will not be given away!

[PaulTheSoave]

haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

True, Maestro.

[ADR147]

probably at Stephens' local oxfam shop! ;)

It might be in his greenhouse holding up his tomatoes!

[PaulTheSoave]

ROS likes gardening, They could team up for The Chelsea Flower show. :D

[ADR147]

well stephen has nothing better to do now!

[gingerale]

I do not know if this has been posted earlier or not.
Stephen Hendry plays with a

ACUERATE 147 CUE,

147 MAPLE cue
58 inch
9mm tip size.

I get an e mail from Acuerate cue's whenever a player playing with their cue wins a round or makes a 147.

Their means sponsorship. It doesn't mean Stephen Hendry uses that specific cue.

[ADR147]

but he does indeed - i was standing next to him while he was using it a couple of weeks ago.

[Semih_Sayginer]

but he does indeed.

agreed. he does use one an Acuerate.

as he said after his match with Carter..."it wasnt the cue, ive played mince with the other one too" but took nothing away from Carter. He was full of praise for him actually..

[ADR147]

carter played very well but its still madness to change cues just before the worlds!

[ADR147]

Acuerate cue review now up in a new thread.

[S Davis Fan]

Going back to Trainspotting's original question about what was Steven Hendry's original cue. I did some research into this cue, and It wasn't just a straight Powerglide connoiseur, I have seen these come up on Ebay ocasionally, but If you want the actual model that Hendry had, you must get one that was endorsed by Rex Williams, if you look at photos or old footage of hendry you will see that above the Ebony spicing it has Rex's Signature on it. Not even sure if it was called a connoiseur in those days. Yet to see one with the Signature on it.

[ADR147]

75% of them fit the bill.

[ADR147]

I'm with Trev, its more than staggering, its bloody rediculous. No player, not even O'Sullivan could adapt to a new cue when you have a tournament less than 3 weeks away. The fact that its not just any tournament but the World championships just makes this whole story seem more like an April fools joke beyond the 1st April!

Hendry will be using his 3/4 plain Ebony/Maple Parris cue at the crucible or I'm a martian from outer space!

whats it like out there in space?

[ADR147]

@ cueman

instead of trying to destroy other people's building in order to have the biggest and greatest one, the better way to achieve something is to try and create your own building.

Everybody is screaming for scientific proof.

Well that's the biggest scream of all.


FACT: the acuerate cues work
FACT: with the Acuerate cues, the throw is reduced dramatically
FACT: the Acuerate hardly throws the ball at all.
FACT: the best proof is to try one
FACT: anybody can critisise somebody on an internet forum as it's the easiest thing in the world.
FACT: If it was indeed a load of b******ll***x, then why so much effort to bad mouth the Acuerate cue?? A bad product will always destroy itself.
FACT: if it were to be a bad product or a scam, it would have destroyed itself already.
FACT: the success of the acuerate cue is growing, and more people are starting to discover it.
FACT: I have tried one 5 weeks ago, and I am fully convinced that it works, and that it is a better performing cue then any other.
FACT: I don't need any scientific proof for this. I only need to see it with my own eyes. Scientific proof is for things we don't understand, and things we can't figure out for ourselves.

Is there life on Mars? I don't know, but you can convince me with scientific proof.

Does my cell phone is harmfull for my health? I don't know, so scientific proof could come in handy

Is my fridge in the kitches keeping my food cold? Yes, I can experience this, and even though this is probably porven by scientists, I'm not bothered, cause it works. That's all I need to know.

Is the acuerate different from traditional cues? YES, no scientific proof needed, I can try it

Does the Acuerate throw the cue ball off line? NO, hardly at all.
Does the Acuerate outperforme most other cues? YES, and I can see that from miles away. No scientist needed here.

Conclusion: Don't critisise, but try.
There's nothing magical about it. It's pure and simple physics.


To me, it's the best cue I ever tried, and I'm not the only one with this opinion.
I know lots of players who put aside their fancy expensive cue, and are playing with an Acuerate now, simply because to them it's a better performing cue.

I'm not saying that all the other cues are bad. They aren't.
I just want to say that everything deserves a fair chance.

Don't critisese just because you think you're right, and others are wrong.
Critisise after you have tried. But try first before you critisise, because there's always tomorrow.

“Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgment.”

– Rita Mae Brown, author

we have now all tried one - look for the acuerate review thread.

[wainwright2]

Geordie pool have got one called the black widow, which is a replica of the powerglide I believe...their batch is made for 8ball but I expect you could get one made with a snooker spec - they're very cheap but the materials are pretty good. If not, you can always ask a custom cue maker to make one for you.


You can these from craftsmans cues in yorkshire http://www.craftsmancues.com/acatalog/Geordie_pool_cues.html about £125.00

[ADR147]

yes except its not a very good replica - hendry is and always was a maple player

[mattyshinobi22]

there was one on ebay, exactly like hendrys cue but was a two piece and it was ash.

it is called Rex Williams( The Diamond Jubilee cue

[ADR147]

he he - so not remotely the same thing then!

[mattyshinobi22]

lol close enough

[ADR147]

umm split at the centre hendry's was one piece and in ash not maple - plus the badge is different!! hendry had the rex williams powerglide connoisseur

[mattyshinobi22]

must of changed it later then, as in his master class book the badge reads HENDRY . lol

[huangruqi]

It seems that Stephen's 2nd cue was trully a JP cue, Maple!!

[ADR147]

it was - he won nothing with it hence its gone!

[cueman]

it was - he won nothing with it hence its gone!

Er he won a couple of tournaments with it didn't he. He definitely won the British Open beating Ronnie in the final when Ronnie was on fire. Think he may have won an overseas tournament too, possibly in China/Malta or at least reached the final.
Either way he won more with his JP than he has come close to with this acue****e.

[sunny3909]

Playing with the JP cue, Hendry won the British open and the 2005 Malta cup beating Graeme Dott in the final and he reached the China open final where Ding beat him.

[S Davis Fan]

there was one on ebay, exactly like hendrys cue but was a two piece and it was ash.

it is called Rex Williams( The Diamond Jubilee cue


When I first got into Snooker I had a Riley endorsed Hendry cue, and I used to watch Hendry a lot, and from the close up's I can definitely say that Hendry's cue is like this picture but a one piece Maple one not ash, I saw close ups of him cuing the ball up on several ocasions and it is definitely maple, as his replacements have also been maple.

Here check this out.
About 4:10 clearly maple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTizFFIskEI

[Semih_Sayginer]

it was - he won nothing with it hence its gone!

Er he won a couple of tournaments with it didn't he. He definitely won the British Open beating Ronnie in the final when Ronnie was on fire. Think he may have won an overseas tournament too, possibly in China/Malta or at least reached the final.
Either way he won more with his JP than he has come close to with this acue****e.

so he did win some things with it, and not nothing?

[ADR147]

nothing by his standards!

[Semih_Sayginer]

nothing by his standards!

thats totally different to what you said (a bit like someone posting a replica of Hendrys cue that "wasnt" the same)

;)

[mattyshinobi22]

let me clerify why i put the pick up, only due to the butt being the same!,
I KNOW IT WASNT ASH HENDRYS CUE HAD, AND IT WASNT A TWO PIECE.

anyway even hendry said the cue was a cheap one,
so why someone would want one like that today with all the great cues out is behond me. its a piece of crap by todays standards

[Semih_Sayginer]

matty

that wasnt a dig at you. in fact it wasnt a dig at ADR. i like him!

he posted something that wasnt correct. now, be it pedantry or whatever, it was contested as factually wrong, and when asked to comment further, he said he meant something clearly different to what he said.

if a millionaire won £50,000, you wouldnt say he/she won nothing, then when corrected say well nothing by their financial standard

the comment about you was that you were contested on it not being the same. you know it isnt, and arent changing the goal posts IMHO. therein lies the difference.

id be pleasantly surprised if ADR came along and said, yeah i was wrong, but i meant to say...going by his standards, but i omitted it, so i stand corrected. thats what id have said.

hi ADR. geez a kiss :D :p

[mattyshinobi22]

ar ic

glad thats cleared up
adr a wind up merchant :D

[poolqjunkie]

I cannot understand why "throw" is used as a measure of "performance" of a cue...could someone please explain?

Can the hit/feel of a cue be measured? For me, that is the most important thing. But I will not call a cue that has a great hit a cue of high performance--it will just be a great hitting cue.

How about cue power? May be energy lost during a shot or effeciency of the equipment (output vs input of energy...)...could these parameters be measured? Since I think these would be more related to "performance" in a scientific sense.

I have never tried one, but would not mind to try it. I am interested, after knowing Hendry plays with one. I have never heard of this brand before, until about 6 months ago. I wish someone could answer my questions, because I am quite confused by the claims on the web site.

One of the biggest question I have is what if it really throws less, is that really such a big deal?

If I hit my ball with unintentional english, I will still spin the cue ball, even it may travel straighter than with other cue, is that right? So that means my positional play will still suffer, and the spin might still cause me to miss my shot when the object ball is being throw off line that tiny bit on long balls. Also, the cue ball will still travel off line, even if it is "lesser." On a long shot, a little bit off is enough to miss a pot in snooker. So, isn't it true that a player with the accurate cue still needs to hit the cue ball precisely in order to make the ball?

About off center hit, if I know my cue, and how it reacts, then I will have confidence with my aim in terms of english. With the acurate cue, is there any difference with the amount of squirt with different speed, I would imagine so...Am I wrong?

So, isn't it true that I still need to know how much to adjust with my aiming point, and need to be very precise of my center ball hit especially on my long balls, regardless of which cue I am using?

Thank you.

[Semih_Sayginer]

IMHO a cue with less throw is easier to get used to for the average player. less throw SHOULD see you getting closer to what you intend.

the main thing being though, that no matter how much throw, if its your cue, one you practise and play with regularly, you will get used to the throw as you get to know your cue. when youre at a high standard and try different cues, trying out a wide range of technically difficult shots, noticing the characteristics of a cue, including throw, then it FOR SOME players, can make a difference, especially on shots where feel/touch are crucial (hard positional shots into small areas, through narrow avenues for example)

[Nott]

I bought an Acuerate. Reason was that lately I've been playin pool with Predatorshafts and since I feel they definitely deflect less than my several regular shafts for pool I thought. Hey. Let's give Acuerate a chance.

First impressions wasn't that good. The cue was almost 1,5 oz heavier than what their website claimed it would be, and the buttend looked roughed up like it was a secondhandcue. Aprox. the same roughness my 10 year old Parris has.

When it comes to deflection/throw I'm not a robot but I can swear theres almost no difference between this cue with 8,75mm tip and my Parris with 9,5mm tip.

I think it will wary alot from cue to cue. Mine might be just abit to stiff or it might be a bad tip. I will have to try with another tip maybe.

That being said. With the extensions and case its a pretty good set for the money. Just don't expect miracles for your game because of this cue :-)

[ADR147]

oh no not the acuecrap conversation again!!