Unable to edit my posts

[hegeland]

Why does it say "You may not edit your posts" on the bottom of each page? :confused:

[dannyd0g]

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=11478&page=7

see post 65

[ferret]

You beat me to it :)

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showpost.php?p=283112&postcount=65

[Semih_Sayginer]

will there be a section where first posts be able to be edited, for the likes of running "comps" where lists are updated on the first post as more people join, for ease of use?

[ferret]

will there be a section where first posts be able to be edited, for the likes of running "comps" where lists are updated on the first post as more people join, for ease of use?

The easy answer is no, but we will be making provitions for this as a selected few who like AlexOpaul and TheStatman will be able to edit their posts.

[Semih_Sayginer]

The easy answer is no, but we will be making provitions for this as a selected few who like AlexOpaul and TheStatman will be able to edit their posts.


cheers ferret

was only posting to highlight this (even though it almost certainly wouldnt have been forgotten) so that others are aware that existing threads they have done, be it Statsy, ALex, or ANOTHER arent able to be edited (unless on site staff)...or similar

[hegeland]

An absolutely terrible decision if you ask me. And the worst thing about it is that no question has been asked whether this is a change that the members want or not!! It's a sad day when owners can change major things as they like without asking for the support of their users first. Also giving a few "selected" users the option of editing posts is something I strongly dislike. This type of dictator-like governing makes me wanna quit the site.
:mad: :mad:

[dannyd0g]

An absolutely terrible decision if you ask me. And the worst thing about it is that no question has been asked whether this is a change that the members want or not!! It's a sad day when owners can change major things as they like without asking for the support of their users first. Also giving a few "selected" users the option of editing posts is something I strongly dislike. This type of dictator-like governing makes me wanna quit the site.
:mad: :mad:

I know you put a lot of effort into some of your posts Hegeland, so I can understand where you are coming from.

However, maybe you are over-reacting a little bit.

[snooky147]

I dont think I would go quite that far Hegeland as in quitting the board. As a site owner myself I recognise the need to implement this, though maybe 5 minutes might be a tad tight.
On my board we have it set at 12 hours but that was mainly due to our fear of people coming in after that time and removing torrents from the site.
With regards to editing of posts though on a site like this the measures Ferret has taken are entirely necessary IMHO.

[dannyd0g]

It will have the effect of making the site more rough and ready.

People wont be able to perfect their posts anymore.

[Ekphantos]

I don't quite understand why it was necessary to change it. What did I miss? What kind of problems were there?

I don't really care if there is an edit function or not, the only time I change something is if I find mistakes and 5 minutes are enough for that.

[hegeland]

But why?? What's the bloody point of not being able to correct an error in a post you've made? It says perfectly clear at the bottom that the post has been changed, and when.

If I'll have to contact a moderator every time I need to change something, like in for instance a TV schedule, or a video list, which are two very recent personal examples, I won't post them at all.

And yes, I am mad about the fact that this change has been implemented without asking the members first and unbelievably even without a motivation.

I demand an explanation.

[ferret]

If i had to ask the members before changing anything I would of had to started atleast 30 threads today.

The reason if you must know for changing the edit options was me catching a disgruntled member editing all of their posts and deleteing their content.

There is a reason for me running the forum and not others.

Tell you what hegeland you want me to ask you every time I change something yeah so here we go.

I need to point a subdomain of Http://gallery.thesnookerforum.com which is on;
NS443.HOSTGATOR.COM IP 70.87.237.50
NS444.HOSTGATOR.COM IP 70.87.237.51

to my server;

ns1.wiltshire-hosting.com IP 85.13.239.108
ns2.wiltshire-hosting.com IP 85.13.239.109

How should I do it?
Via a CNAME or A record change?

And how do I setup the sub-doamin on my WHM? do I use the standard cPanel account setup procedure or do I have to enter the full DNS entrys via SSH????

[ferret]

Got another one for you hegeland

Just been sorting out the MX records for the forums email.

If I point the MX records to mail.gonzo.wiltshire-hosting.com will that also route the incoming mail to the new server?

and will I have to setup a A record for the domains email or will the old server handle that???

Do hurry up with some answers I need to get on.

[ferret]

In a few weeks we are moving server probably on a Tuesday night at 3am to prevent disturbance, but how long do you think the nameservers will takie to propogate?

Should we tell the members 2 hours or 4???

[snooky147]

I dont know Vbulettin but could you set it up so that members of a certain level can edit posts, easily done in IPB I know. That would be a compromise.
Tell me if I am butting in too much Ferret.

[ferret]

I have just tryed to upload the SQL backup of the forum to the new server the file is 85 meg but the SQL server has a 15 meg time out.

How should we proceed to upload the database?

Should we try to use SSH and do it via the shell or should we use a programme like BigDumb??

[ferret]

I dont know Vbulettin but could you set it up so that members of a certain level can edit posts, easily done in IPB I know. That would be a compromise.
Tell me if I am butting in too much Ferret.

As I did say earlier provisions are going to be made for serton people.

[ferret]

Come on hegeland we ned answers.

You want me to ask you before I do anything on the forum don't you?

Well until you answer me I can not get the Image gallery up and running, everybodys emails are being delayed and we may have to selay the server move.

Have I made my point clear enough or should I continue?

Oh just one more question, how many forum that you are a member of allows you to edit your posts at all? emmmmm for me I am a member of over 100 forum and I only know of 9 that allow me to do that, 8 of those I am the administrator of.

[snooky147]

It's only right that the ability to edit is removed after a certain time, people coming in and editing or deleting content will make topics impossible to follow.

[hegeland]

Ferret:

You know perfectly well what I mean.
You know perfectly well that I don't mean technical questions of very little interest to the users, like the ones you've stated in your posts.
You know perfectly well that I mean what kind of changes I mean.

And yet you can't resist to be sarcastic and behave like a minor. That is sad.


But what you do tell me, in between the lines of condescending sarcasm, is that you don't need to ask your members anything. You can do as you like. Because you are the head mod and owner. That is all technically correct. But, and this is a big but, it is not right to make a major change that affects all the users heavily without notice or without explanation or without asking. It is just not right.

[ferret]

a major change lol you do make me laugh :D

[snooky147]

Hegeland, This board has some 4000+ members. Admins have to make decisions every day to keep it running smoothly. You just cant ask members. I have 450,000+ members, we have 4 admins, the co owner and myself plus 22 mods. There's more to it than meets the eye mate.

[hegeland]

snooky147:
This is not a matter of asking every single member before each and every little decision. It is a question of informing the board of major changes. It is a question of good practice, common courtesy, call it whatever you like. Look at how ferret has responed to my "Support/Helpdesk"-question. This is not the way to behave.

Ferret: So this is how you react to sincere concerns and questions? With sarcasm, laughter and closing of threads. Well then I'm sorry I've wasted your time. Goodbye.

[snooky147]

I am sorry to see such a valued member of this board leave under such circumstances. I , for one will miss your posts Hegeland.

[Anastasia]

Ferret make so many for this forum and try to give answer to all . This is very hard work I appraise this . And thanks for this :)

[ferret]

This is not a matter of asking every single member before each and every little decision. It is a question of informing the board of major changes.
Exactly, I did not inform or ask the board members before removing this feature for not even 48 hours as it is a small decision and not a major change.

Yes I did close the thread because I don't see why I should waste my time talking to you, read your own comment.

The edit post feature would of probably been back by now if I had spent my time working on it instead of talking to you.

EDIT: ferret <----Thats Ironic

Oh and when I close a thread, I close it for a reason and I do not expect for a new one on the same subject to be reopened.

[hegeland]

snooky147:
I'm not done with the board, I'm done with ferret and the condescending and demeaning tone in which he responded to my questions and concerns.

Those of you who know me better, knows I'm not easily offended.

He won't get rid of me this easy! :D

[Marc]

Glad to hear it Hege ;)

For him to talk to you like that he obviously doesnt have much idea of how much a valuable and popular member you are here, and how much poorer this forum would be without you!

[ferret]

I think hegeland should be silent for a few days and take the time to chill out a little and maybe when he comes back he will realise his total inappropriate reaction.

and Marc I do realise how much of valuable and popular member hegland is, this is why I am wondering why he is reacting is such a pathetic way.

[Alex0paul]

Christ sake. Its only a bleeding edit option. I have to say you have gone way over the top about it.

[PaulTheSoave]

Whats all 'appening 'ere then?

Calm down, calm down. I just wanted to go to sleep and you keep me all from my bed.
I suggest the discussion is held between the 2 in PM or Mail / telephone format. Entre deux so to say.

[dantuck_7]

Just seen whats happened here. Call in the UN peacekeepers!

Seriously, there are more important things to worry about. But I did quite like the edit option to correct for spelling mistakes etc.

[kellie-text]

Just seen whats happened here. Call in the UN peacekeepers!

Seriously, there are more important things to worry about. But I did quite like the edit option to correct for spelling mistakes etc.

I agree.

This is a great forum and we dont want it ruined like whats happened on other forum's. I love the snooker forum - its the main thing i had my laptop for!!

[gingerale]

Glad to see the threads are opened again. :)

So how is the new editing function planned to be?
I think it should be answered and discussed, there was even a discussion and a poll about the users crediting function (or how it was called, don't remember) some months ago.

Why should only a few selected members have the option to change their posts just because 'one disgruntled member' (?) as I understood decided to delete all their posts?
I just don't see the point. Would someone please explain? It can't be an aesthetic reason to make the site more 'rough and ready'? It's sort of controlled discussion then.
It's an international forum with lots of data, I really think every member should be able to edit their posts, be it for grammatical reasons or updates whatsoever.

Thanks to everyone who puts their efforts in this board.

[gingerale]

Just to bring it back, that's how the reputation feature was discussed
http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=9800

[sunny3909]

I think the edit feature should be brought back.As far as misuse of the feature goes,I think appropriate action should be taken by the site administration against the concerned member.

[snooky147]

Glad to see the threads are opened again. :)

So how is the new editing function planned to be?
I think it should be answered and discussed, there was even a discussion and a poll about the users crediting function (or how it was called, don't remember) some months ago.

Why should only a few selected members have the option to change their posts just because 'one disgruntled member' (?) as I understood decided to delete all their posts?
I just don't see the point. Would someone please explain? It can't be an aesthetic reason to make the site more 'rough and ready'? It's sort of controlled discussion then.
It's an international forum with lots of data, I really think every member should be able to edit their posts, be it for grammatical reasons or updates whatsoever.

Thanks to everyone who puts their efforts in this board.

A member editing and deleting posts can very quickly make a topic extremely hard to follow. Editing should only be allowed for spelling and for the few that have to edit posts in competions and such, otherwise if someone goes on the rampage and starts deleting their content the board will look awful.

[dantuck_7]

Would it be possible to limit the amount of editing?

Put in a check that say no more 20% of a post is removed. Or as was mentionned earlier a time limit of ten minutes to edit a post. Spelling mistakes are normally the edit that people make.

[moondan]

Being from 606, for a minute I thought I was There.

Nice to see a bit of fire on here. :D

[dannyd0g]

Being from 606, for a minute I thought I was There.

Nice to see a bit of fire on here. :D

Is it ? :rolleyes:

Well sorry for being "holier than though" but i really dont like to see that sort of thing on here.

It may be entertaining for some, but I dont think it would do this forum any good for there to be too many 'discussions' that become quite that heated.

[Robert602]

Providing no unforeseen problems come up I think we'll have a solution shortly. Ferret's going to try installing an edit manager that will remember previous versions of a post (a bit like wikipedia's edit history), and then we'll turn editing back on for everyone.

[ferret]

I will install the mod but later tonight, sorry just preping for a meeting at the moment and got loads to do.

[dantuck_7]

Hopefully I'm speaking for quite a few of the members on here.

I think you should get in touch with Hegeland and offer him an invite back. It would be very sad to see someone with 2000-3000 posts being banned/quitting the board. He often posted eurosport and bbc schedules and I recently found out through him that ROS played Earl Strickland in the Mosconi Cup. I'm waiting for some more details of this!

It all seems very unneccessary - just put it down to two people have bad days and over-reacting.

Hege it would be good to see you back.

[Robert602]

Providing no unforeseen problems come up I think we'll have a solution shortly. Ferret's going to try installing an edit manager that will remember previous versions of a post (a bit like wikipedia's edit history), and then we'll turn editing back on for everyone.
Just put this on so editing is back.

dan - Hege did say he wouldn't let this put him off the forum, and I really hope it won't. He is of course more than welcome.

[dannyd0g]

Providing no unforeseen problems come up I think we'll have a solution shortly. Ferret's going to try installing an edit manager that will remember previous versions of a post (a bit like wikipedia's edit history), and then we'll turn editing back on for everyone.

Sorry but I dont quite follow that. Does this mean there's not going to be any time limit on peoples editing afterall ? Is it like a safeguard so if someone (for some bizzare reason) did want to mess up the forum and delete all their posts, the forum could be restored to a time before this happened ?

Just put this on so editing is back.



Good stuff. Thankyou.

[Robert602]

Sorry but I dont quite follow that. Does this mean there's not going to be any time limit on peoples editing afterall ? Is it like a safeguard so if someone (for some bizzare reason) did want to mess up the forum and delete all their posts, the forum could be restored to a time before this happened ?

That's essentially it yeah. It means that it's now possible for mods to view and undo edits on a per-post or per-user basis. Previously edits were permanent, so they did leave the forum open to disruption if anyone decided to remove their own posts, now there's no danger of that. I don't see any reason now to put a time limit on editing.

It might seem paranoid but it has happened before on here, one case in particular before Curtis arrived caused huge damage, even though the user regretted it shortly afterwards.

[PaulTheSoave]

I second this Dantuck!

You have to take into account he is 19 years of age and has to learn some things maybe (dont want to play here the father type btw;)) and maybe there was a bit of overreacting (accompanied with some beverages perhaps) involved. Furthermore I also do not agree at all I have been put on his ignore list (comment that everybody was put on his ignore list) without asking my permission. And I have seen swear words being used here and no ban being given. So, are there different rules if having a discussion with a MOD?

Hopefully I'm speaking for quite a few of the members on here.

I think you should get in touch with Hegeland and offer him an invite back. It would be very sad to see someone with 2000-3000 posts being banned/quitting the board. He often posted eurosport and bbc schedules and I recently found out through him that ROS played Earl Strickland in the Mosconi Cup. I'm waiting for some more details of this!

It all seems very unneccessary - just put it down to two people have bad days and over-reacting.

Hege it would be good to see you back.

[ferret]

As I did say after putting him onto everybodys ignore list, I did take him off right away and sent him a PM explaining the details.

It is now his choice to return, as I have explained ot him in the PM.

As for seeing posts with swearing, there is a report button at the top of every post, if you see things like this or anything that breaks the rules all you have to do is click that button.

Personaly I do not read very post made on the board and I am sure the mods do not either.

[hegeland]

OK, final word on the matter for me. I've been out of town and didn't even know that I had been banned. That came as a complete surprise to me as I don't think I broke the House Rules, except for starting a new thread. My opinion on the matter is there to read in my posts, should anyone be interested.

[Semih_Sayginer]

a site user has very recently been editing their posts to completely different words......(check the shoutbox soon and the updates will still be there)

[gingerale]

Obviously it hasn't an effect on the threads this user started since no one was replying to them anyway.
Is it of any importance.
Hope you're not voting for disabling the editing function again with this, Semih_Sayginer.

[Semih_Sayginer]

Obviously it hasn't an effect on the threads since no one was replying to them anyway.
Is it of any importance.
Hope you're not voting for disabling the editing function again with this, Semih_Sayginer.


im not voting for anything thanks.

i was in the shoutbox and noticed a user had edited several of their posts, which obviously would now make the threads disjointed, so thought id highlight it here where the discussion took place recently.

id imagine the admin will try the reinstatement of edited posts to their original state if its working.

[gingerale]

I looked those threads up and found none of them was jointed anyway. As pointed out above, nobody replied anyway. Maybe that's what the user was angry about hence he edited it into nothing. Maybe not every thread was shown in the shoutbox still and there are disjointed threads now?
I'd have used the report function if any damage was done to the boards with that editing. Meanwhile you can't look them threads up in the shoutbox any longer so nobody will know which ones you're referring to.

[Semih_Sayginer]

I looked those threads up and found none of them was jointed anyway. As pointed out above, nobody replied anyway. Maybe that's what the user was angry about hence he edited it into nothing. Maybe not every thread was shown in the shoutbox still and there are disjointed threads now?
I'd have used the report function if any damage was done to the boards with that editing. Meanwhile you can't look them threads up in the shoutbox any longer so nobody will know which ones you're referring to.

i felt they were disjointed. if you didnt, then thats your opinion

nobody replied...eh? thats like saying threads without a reply in 2 hours had "nobody replying" hmmm

perhaps the user was angry at something or someone....i dont know them, so can only speculate

youd have used the report function. i didnt. i posted here on a thread that was discussing fairly recently what had in fact happened.

i did put in my post about checking the shoutbox "soon", and i know a mod was in there to see it, as well as others, so no youre wrong SOME FOLK DID see it

[gingerale]

I was only saying the threads I could look up in the shoutbox weren't jointed anyway. While your point was the threads got disjointed by this editing - which was a point of discussion in this thread recently to approve the disabled editing function.
Some of the user's threads in question I'd seen before so they must have been older than a few hours.

[Semih_Sayginer]

ginger

i posted here as it was discussed on here recently and so this is where i chose to post it.

i know others seen the posts, one of which is a mod and will know.

im not overly bothered what you would have done.

[gingerale]

ginger

i posted here as it was discussed on here recently and so this is where i chose to post it.


That's the reason I replied here. Be you bothered of what I'd have done or not.
If it was a mod-only posting you didn't want any replies on you shouldn't have put it on a public discussion thread which is free to any member on the board.

[Semih_Sayginer]

you really dont get it, do you?

this is an open forum

i was posting on topic

i posted here about a currently occuring situation that the board admin were concerned about.....

i also PMd one of the site team

if youd have did anything differently to that, i dont care.

this is an open thread and i posted on it, on topic, for the benefit of anyone who wished to read it, including site staff.

now, im finished playing forum tennis with you. have a good day

[ferret]

Noted and Sorted

[gingerale]

this is an opne thread and i posted on it, on topic, for the benefit of anyone who wished to read it, including site staff.


Same did I when replying to your post.


you really dont get it, do you?
[...]
now, im finished playing forum tennis with you. have a good day

Don't think that's good discussion etiquette.

[Semih_Sayginer]

Noted and Sorted


cheers ferret

had PMd rob as he was online at the time too

just highlighting that the changes you made and the reason you did it, can and DOES occur

cheers mate

[missneworleans]

I think it's quite clever Ferret. No reason to edit post after someone replied to it. But if nobody replied for 5 mins, and there's still a mistake, what's then?
Is there an option to close edit option after someone replied to that post?

[gingerale]

If you close the edit function after someone's replied to the thread you'll have difficulties with those threads that contain changing information in the first post, like e.g. broadcasting schedules.
It was discussed earlier to allow only certain users to change their threads for those reasons.
Yet I think the editing function should be left as it is. In the example Semih_Sayginer posted today I wasn't able to find any damage done to the board. But it's good if old messages can be restored IF threads are disjointed by user's action.

[nideKer]

oh frends!

I so need to edit my post! And I hope that function will be enable soon as soon as possible!...